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04-12-2022, 12:32 AM
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You have unrealistic expectations for what you call a bust. Hardman isn’t an all pro, but to call him a bust is just silly.
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04-12-2022, 03:11 AM
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04-12-2022, 04:56 AM
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I wouldn’t expect any better from the 56th pick in the draft. He was also a late second, closer to the beginning of the 3rd roundthan beginning of the 2nd Last edited by Best22; 04-12-2022 at 10:09 AM.. |
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04-12-2022, 06:15 AM
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It's been thought that Hardman was a reaction pick to the possibility that Hill would be gone with the psycho ex situation. Which would make sense. It's difficult for small guys like that to play ON the line; they'll always struggle to get a clean/quick release at their size against press coverage. And so Hardman has been a gadget guy. That doesn't mean he couldn't run routes from the 'Z' spot, where he gets a running start at it. We'll see what Andy does, but I would expect that's the plan. |
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04-12-2022, 09:07 AM
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About 1/2 of the picks taken in the 2nd round in any given year will become starters by their 3rd NFL season. Guys taken ahead of Hardman who have been less productive than him: Clellin Ferrell TJ Hockenson Devin Bush Jonah Williams Rashan Gary (though he's finally coming along) Dwayne Haskins....uh Noah Fant Andre Dillard Jonathan Abram Jerry Tillery LJ Collier Deandre Baker N'Keal Harry Rock Ya-Sin Greg Little Cody Ford Trayvon Mullen Drew Lock Jahlani Tavai Joejuan Williams Greedy Williams Marquise Blair Ben Banogu Irv Smith Drew Sample Lonnie Johnson That's 26 guys; about half the picks ahead of him. And frankly I'm leaving out another half-dozen close questions because I just don't feel like arguing about it. This idea that 2nd rounders are just going to become starters is simply asinine. There are 7 guys taken in the 2nd round that year who were essentially 'day 1' starters. Your position w/r/t Veach's ability to draft doesn't mean anything because you lack the proper perspective to meaningfully evaluate his performance.
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04-12-2022, 09:13 AM
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04-12-2022, 09:15 AM
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Because about 1/2 those guys are 1st round picks. They're slightly less likely to bust, but not by orders of magnitude. So keep your picks, get an EXTRA guy and let the law of large numbers work to your advantage.
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04-12-2022, 09:17 AM
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In Search of a Life
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In general, I think we need to realize that most of these guys were about to draft just aren't gonna turn into Tyreek Hills and Travis Kelce's. It's ok if they are....say....Mecole Hardman. That's fine. |
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