Do you trust Veach/Reid to draft WR or DE?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Well those are some ridiculous expectations considering the WR market.

You're not wrong about the market being high, but I disagree about the market aligning with what MVS received.

Rashard Higgens has had similar production in Cleveland and signed with Carolina for vet minimum. The same goes for James Washington signing in Dallas. Neither of those guys are as fast nor had quite the explosive plays but overall they had very similar production on the whole. Cedrick Wilson signed with Miami for less and had way better production last year in Dallas. DJ Chark signed a one-year deal for $10 million and is 10x more productive in his career.

I feel like Veach may have got hosed. I truly hope I'm wrong on MVS and he earns that check. He's been less productive than Pringle and he had Aaron Rodgers at QB, so really there aren't many excuses for him. At over 8 million per season in cash costs, he better step his game up big time. I don't know, we'll have to see the product on the field with Mahomes in this offense.

[CupidStunt]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I feel like Veach may have got hosed.

Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

Multiple teams wanted MVS. No one wanted the dudes you listed.

Beyond that, MVS' contract is nothing. If they ditch him after year 2 it's 2/18, which is ****ing nothing in this day and age. Are people really so out of touch with contracts in the NFL these days?

When Christian Kirk is getting $18m/year with term, or a rapist out of football for a year is getting $230m guaranteed, how the heck are people worrying about a 2/18 deal for a young, high-upside player.

It can even be treated as a 1/9 deal, with a marginal cap hit. If things go THAT bad. Which they won't. Dude, if the Bills want to move on from Von in a couple years, when he's 35, they'll have a 20m cap hit. That's the type of deal worth worrying about.

Pretty terrible attempted dig to call me out of touch with contracts.

It's debatable whether or not MVS was in "more demand" than the receivers I listed. You have absolutely no way of knowing that. My point is simple, those receivers, with around equivalent production, have signed for far less.

While some have been signed in line with their actual ability and production, there are a few outliers like Kirk, MVS, and Zay Jones. That doesn't mean the entire market has gone reeruned. Yes, the market is getting more expensive and especially so at the top. Veach, in my opinion, overpaid for what he's getting in lieu of getting a better bargain. Now, that could absolutely work out but let's not pretend he didn't have an equivocally good QB throwing him the football in a similar offense.

Christian Kirk at 18 per actually makes more sense to me than MVS at 10 per. Kirk is younger, has produced more and appears to be on the ascent. I don't think Kirk should be making that either and that the Jags overpaid but Kirk undoubtedly had suitors.

Either way, the only thing we can do is hope he works out and applaud Veach if it does. If it doesn't, well, I'm very prepared for that.