Kelce cementing his HOF status

[AdolfOliverBush]

Hardware beats longevity. Kelce is the best TE in Chiefs history, Gonzo can lick my balls.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Hardware beats longevity. Kelce is the best TE in Chiefs history, Gonzo can lick my balls.

They're TEs. They don't have enough impact on a Super Bowl run to hold that against them.

[AdolfOliverBush]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They're TEs. They don't have enough impact on a Super Bowl run to hold that against them.

Kelce certainly did. There's no way KC wins the Super Bowl without him.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

Kelce certainly did. There's no way KC wins the Super Bowl without him.

Agreed, but that's not my argument.

Simplest way to look at it..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

2014: Missed playoffs entirely
2015: 128 yards and 0 TDs in win @ HOU followed by 23 yards and 0 TDs @ NE (loss)
2016: 77 yards and 0 TDs vs PIT (loss)
2017: 66 yards and 0 TDs vs TEN (loss)

I don't even need to show the stats after Mahomes. They're basically night and day.

Gonzalez was a victim of playing for a shitty team for many years. You swap them magically and the late 90s-late 00s Chiefs don't fare any better in the postseason while I'm not sure we don't still end up with a Super Bowl win in 2019.

[Rasputin]

He should be in the HOF just for his orchestration drive of 13 seconds. That's legendary. How well him and Pat were on the same page.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Agreed, but that's not my argument.

Simplest way to look at it..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

2014: Missed playoffs entirely
2015: 128 yards and 0 TDs in win @ HOU followed by 23 yards and 0 TDs @ NE (loss)
2016: 77 yards and 0 TDs vs PIT (loss)
2017: 66 yards and 0 TDs vs TEN (loss)

I don't even need to show the stats after Mahomes. They're basically night and day.

Gonzalez was a victim of playing for a shitty team for many years. You swap them magically and the late 90s-late 00s Chiefs don't fare any better in the postseason while I'm not sure we don't still end up with a Super Bowl win in 2019.

Gonzalez had more talent than kelce. But I don’t know that Gonzalez had the leadership to match kelces playoff success. And kelces numbers above are very good disregarding the fact that we had a qb who was allergic to the end zone. Even if I think gonzo was a better player I’ll take kelce over gonzo every day of the week.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Gonzalez had more talent than kelce. But I don’t know that Gonzalez had the leadership to match kelces playoff success. And kelces numbers above are very good disregarding the fact that we had a qb who was allergic to the end zone. Even if I think gonzo was a better player I’ll take kelce over gonzo every day of the week.

OK, so apparently I do need to show the stats before and after Mahomes lol..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

Four games total. 294 yards and 1 TD. 1-3 record. One Wild Card Round win. Never made it past the Divisional Round.

Kelce in four seasons with Mahomes:

Eleven games total. 997 yards and 11 TDs. 8-3 record. One Super Bowl win. Never failed to advance to at least the AFC Championship game.

This isn't about some bullshit like leadership. It's about opportunity.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

OK, so apparently I do need to show the stats before and after Mahomes lol..

Kelce in the four seasons prior to Mahomes:

Four games total. 294 yards and 1 TD. 1-3 record. One Wild Card Round win. Never made it past the Divisional Round.

Kelce in four seasons with Mahomes:

Eleven games total. 997 yards and 11 TDs. 8-3 record. One Super Bowl win. Never failed to advance to at least the AFC Championship game.

This isn't about some bullshit like leadership. It's about opportunity.

Kelce was a beast without mahomes and with him. Even with Alex smith we’d be having the same damn conversation.

Sorry, but I 100% disagree on intangibles. Leadership is the difference between mahomes pumping his team up and grinding out tough wins vs Lamar sulking when adversity hits. It absolutely is what separates him from Gonzalez who was a more gifted player than kelce on a number of levels. I don’t know that there has ever in chiefs history been a better example of a player who plays every damn snap the right way than kelce. He does it with ability, intelligence and max effort. And I don’t know that there’s ever been a player who wants to win more then kelce, and that’s putting him up against mahomes who is insanely competitive.

In the end, that’s why kelce - a guy who isn’t as physically gifted as some of the all time great TEs including in his own teams history - still belongs in the conversation of all time greatest.