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Old 09-26-2022, 06:24 PM   #1
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Yeah it's trust issues all over the offense. He doesn't trust the line to block for long and he doesn't trust WRs to get open. If Brown can just be solid, it would help out both issues. Mahomes will feel less rushed to try to make magic and WRs will have more time to get open. Cause regardless of how good or bad they are, no defense can hold up holding receivers for more than a few seconds at a time.

WRs also need to get better at scramble drills. There were too many times where Mahomes would extend a play and still not have anywhere to go with the ball. Even shitty ass DeMarcus Robinson was good at getting open when Mahomes would give him extra time to get open.

It just feels like everything is rushed right now.
It’s much more than that. Matt Verderame did a chat today and noted that the Jags killed the Colts with screens last week. Indy couldn’t stop it and they just kept doing it.

Guess how many screens we ran? One. And it was a good gain.

Why wouldn’t we keep doing that?

Also I agree with him that this offense wants too many big plays too much instead of just taking what the defense gives them. No bigger proof of that then the 2nd play on offense where Clyde is wide open in the flat, Kelce is pointing at him to throw it that way and Patrick ignores him to look downfield for tight windows.

They are playing like Tyreek is still here and they shouldn’t be
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Old 09-26-2022, 07:04 PM   #2
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It’s much more than that. Matt Verderame did a chat today and noted that the Jags killed the Colts with screens last week. Indy couldn’t stop it and they just kept doing it.

Guess how many screens we ran? One. And it was a good gain.

Why wouldn’t we keep doing that?

Also I agree with him that this offense wants too many big plays too much instead of just taking what the defense gives them. No bigger proof of that then the 2nd play on offense where Clyde is wide open in the flat, Kelce is pointing at him to throw it that way and Patrick ignores him to look downfield for tight windows.

They are playing like Tyreek is still here and they shouldn’t be
It makes no sense why we don't run more screens. Haven't made sense in years and especially now. Clyde actually looks good receiving this year. We also have McKinnon whose a good receiver and has been good on screens and apparently Pacheco has good hands. Use that shit. Get your lineman out in space. Slow down the pass rush. That will open the offense up a lot.

But like what was posted about what Chris Simms said earlier, we're playing with no plan.
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Old 09-26-2022, 08:14 PM   #3
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It makes no sense why we don't run more screens. Haven't made sense in years and especially now. Clyde actually looks good receiving this year. We also have McKinnon whose a good receiver and has been good on screens and apparently Pacheco has good hands. Use that shit. Get your lineman out in space. Slow down the pass rush. That will open the offense up a lot.

But like what was posted about what Chris Simms said earlier, we're playing with no plan.
This. Playcalling needs to get a lot better.
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Old 09-27-2022, 10:53 AM   #4
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It makes no sense why we don't run more screens.
Because screen passes are designed to take advantage of aggressive defenses.

Aggressive defenses aren't the problem. The Chiefs shine when they play aggressive defenses. Screens aren't effective against a 4 man rush in which the secondary is looking towards the LOS. Which is what's been giving them a hard time.

It's become apparent that playcalling is the problem, but screens aren't the answer either.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:21 AM   #5
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Because screen passes are designed to take advantage of aggressive defenses.

Aggressive defenses aren't the problem. The Chiefs shine when they play aggressive defenses. Screens aren't effective against a 4 man rush in which the secondary is looking towards the LOS. Which is what's been giving them a hard time.

It's become apparent that playcalling is the problem, but screens aren't the answer either.
We can’t run the ball. We don’t run the ball. We don’t even like running the ball.

And defenses know it.

Just like the Bengals, teams are dropping 6-7 defenders are begging us to run the ball. I mean holy shit the Bengals dropped EIGHT players several times in the 2nd half last year and we didn’t run the ball.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:23 AM   #6
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We can’t run the ball. We don’t run. The ball. We don’t even like running the ball.

And defenses know it.

Just like the Bengals, teams are dropping 6-7 defenders are begging us to run the ball. I mean holy shit the Bengals dropped EIGHT players several times in the 2nd half last year and we didn’t run the ball.
Well when it's a game like Sunday where your starting RB has 7 carries for 0 yards, kind of hard to argue that we should've ran the ball more, especially with Mahomes at QB.
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Well when it's a game like Sunday where your starting RB has 7 carries for 0 yards, kind of hard to argue that we should've ran the ball more, especially with Mahomes at QB.
We had a bunch of negative run plays in the first half. It's not a mystery why they didn't run the ball more, it wasn't working. It was atrocious actually.

We've got to stop with so much RPO. Every running play takes a full second to even get started and a few times now, I've watched Mahomes make the WRONG read. It's hurting the line, it's hurting the RB's.
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Old 09-27-2022, 11:29 AM   #8
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Well when it's a game like Sunday where your starting RB has 7 carries for 0 yards, kind of hard to argue that we should've ran the ball more, especially with Mahomes at QB.
Yeah - for some folks the answer will ALWAYS be "why didn't Andy run the ball more!??!"

Marty Vapours I guess.

And maybe it's a declarative statement more than a suggestion for some. But the bottom line is that this team really can't turn to the run game to fix any problems. They ain't good at it.

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Yeah - for some folks the answer will ALWAYS be "why didn't Andy run the ball more!??!"

Marty Vapours I guess.

And maybe it's a declarative statement more than a suggestion for some. But the bottom line is that this team really can't turn to the run game to fix any problems. They ain't good at it.

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Yeah - for some folks the answer will ALWAYS be "why didn't Andy run the ball more!??!"

Marty Vapours I guess.

And maybe it's a declarative statement more than a suggestion for some. But the bottom line is that this team really can't turn to the run game to fix any problems. They ain't good at it.

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It’s very fixable.

Get Clyde off the field and bring up RoJo. Have him and Pacheco get more snaps.

They also need to line up in 12 and 13 personnel more often like they did in AZ and run the ball. They just didn’t do that. Again they played like the 2019 offense, not the current new version.

Andy and Patrick’s pride and ego were their downfalls in Indy
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Yup. And Schwartz and Fisher.

This is just much different personnel and it should be treated accordingly. They need to dumb it down, dirty it up, and battle through.

That's not to say turn into a bunch of ground and pound mongoloids - but they do need to change their running style and see what they can do to convert to a more conventional drop-back and PA style passing game.

And literally every single member of this staff would eviscerate me in terms of pure football knowledge, right down to the water boys. So it makes me wonder if hubris isn't at the heart of it.

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