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Old 09-29-2022, 01:42 PM  
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Should Teams Still Return Punts?
There were two TDs all of 2021 on punt returns. In the entire league. Just two. I feel like directional punting and coverage have improved a lot. More so than the return units.

Meanwhile, there's a much higher likelihood of being penalized, fumbling, or injuries than there is a positive gain. I'm surprised teams even bother returning punts these days. The rules already favor the offense. Getting a head start isn't as important as it was when the league was more defensive. The extra 10 yards or so aren't worth the risk IMO.

Should teams just fair catch punts going forward? Does your stomach tighten whenever any player on your favorite team is fielding a punt?

I've thought about this all last year, so it's not just a Skyy Moore reaction thing.
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Old 09-29-2022, 04:10 PM   #31
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Yes... dumb thread.
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Old 09-29-2022, 04:35 PM   #32
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I'd buy into not trying to return a kick out of the endzone. However, you have to look at the 5-10 yard positive yardage gained gained on a punt. FTR, you do not have to catch a punt after calling for a fair catch. Time after time we've seen the receiver call for one inside the 5, only letting it bounce into the endzone for a touchback.
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Old 09-29-2022, 04:46 PM   #33
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Depends.

Is Skyy Moore the guy you've tasked with doing it?
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Old 09-29-2022, 04:55 PM   #34
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Maybe the question should be….. Should teams still punt???
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Old 09-29-2022, 05:18 PM   #35
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Imagine having a special teams coach that is so tragi-comically bad at his job, that members of your fanbase question the benefits of returning a punt.

Look inward.

Fire Toub. Hire competent special teams coach and decisionmaker. Bring special teams back to the level of helping your team instead of trying to ritualistically destroy it every time they are called upon to perform.
Dave Toub has been ranked in the top 10 as a ST coach for the last 17 years. In fact, he has been ranked in the top 5 for more than 13 consecutive years, making him the most successful St coach in NFL history.

But yeah, fire him and hire some guy that "is competent."

Lol, what a maroon.
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Old 09-29-2022, 05:58 PM   #36
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Nah **** it.

Let's play two-hand touch, QB's in a tutu and touching the QB is illegal.

Saying mean things is already illegal, so...
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Old 09-29-2022, 06:23 PM   #37
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From a strategic standpoint? Hmmmm...that is actually a pretty interesting question. If you choose to not return punts--as a matter of rule for your particular team--it begs the question as to whether or not you would actually want a returner back to recieve/fair catch the ball. If you *don't* have someone back to catch the ball, then that means you can rush the punter with 11 guys---and given the numbers, that means someone will always be unblocked. So can you get someone fast enough to either block the kick entirely, or at least get in the punter's face so that he can't perform a good directional kick?

You might actually get more net yards by harassing the kicker these days.

On the flip side, then, is the question of whether or not you should ever punt on 4th down? Personally, and I'm more of the gambling type-especially since we have Mahomes, but I'd just as soon never punt the ball.
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Old 09-29-2022, 06:54 PM   #38
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There is no reason to field a punt if you are winning in the 4th quarter or towards end of 3rd quarter.
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Old 09-29-2022, 06:56 PM   #39
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There is no reason to field a punt if you are winning in the 4th quarter or towards end of 3rd quarter.
I agree.
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If you are a team with a shit offense and zero passing game like Chicago… yes… you need an aggressive special teams to manufacture points.

When you have Mahomes, your main punt return objective should be to avoid a turnover to ensure that #15 gets the ball.
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Imagine having a special teams coach that is so tragi-comically bad at his job, that members of your fanbase question the benefits of returning a punt.

Look inward.

Fire Toub. Hire competent special teams coach and decisionmaker. Bring special teams back to the level of helping your team instead of trying to ritualistically destroy it every time they are called upon to perform.
You realize Toub is one of the most respected coaches at his position in the league right?? Consistently has had among the best ST units for YEARS. But go on crying...
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Dave Toub has been ranked in the top 10 as a ST coach for the last 17 years. In fact, he has been ranked in the top 5 for more than 13 consecutive years, making him the most successful St coach in NFL history.

But yeah, fire him and hire some guy that "is competent."

Lol, what a maroon.
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Guys, look at who Andy has on his staff. Steven Spagnuolo and Dave Toub. They are all gamblers, aggressive-minded coaches that want to put the pressure on their opponents as soon as possible if not earlier and often.

Toub is exactly the guy Andy wants running his ST. This is why we sometimes kick it short; to invite a mistake such as the one in the HOU playoff game where DD popped the ball loose and forced the turnover. It's why he put Hill in that Vikings game and got their punter to shank it. Et cetera and so on. Andy believes, as Parcells did, that punts and kicks are potential offensive plays.

Considering the sources, I'd say let them cook.
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Guys, look at who Andy has on his staff. Steven Spagnuolo and Dave Toub. They are all gamblers, aggressive-minded coaches that want to put the pressure on their opponents as soon as possible if not earlier and often.

Toub is exactly the guy Andy wants running his ST. This is why we sometimes kick it short; to invite a mistake such as the one in the HOU playoff game where DD popped the ball loose and forced the turnover. It's why he put Hill in that Vikings game and got their punter to shank it. Et cetera and so on. Andy believes, as Parcells did, that punts and kicks are potential offensive plays.

Considering the sources, I'd say let them cook.
There's some here that act like we have the worst coaching staff in football
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