Chris Jones

[DRM08]

Jones & Aikman both suggested a good idea. Roughing the Passer calls should be subject to booth review or at least allow the coaches to challenge it. If you're going to hand out an automatic first down on a 3rd down sack of the QB, then it needs to be a legit "roughing" play and not a normal tackle.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Jones & Aikman both suggested a good idea. Roughing the Passer calls should be subject to booth review or at least allow the coaches to challenge it. If you're going to hand out an automatic first down on a 3rd down sack of the QB, then it needs to be a legit "roughing" play and not a normal tackle.

Good idea in theory, just like the PI review and look how that turned out. How many did they overturn? 1?

Just change the ****ing rule and stop trying to coddle people who sign up to potentially get hit.

[louie aguiar]

The refs must hate Chris Jones. He’s had some of the absolute worst calls called against him.

The shoulder pad tap called RTP against Brady in the Afc championship game, the mean words penalty against Indy and now this which is probably one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Reminded me of the forward progress call on us against Mariota and the titans in the playoffs

[Demonpenz]

BigRedchief actually got the scoop on what CJ said during the indy game

[007]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

BigRedchief actually got the scoop on what CJ said during the indy game

And?

[Bump]

glad they won but I stopped watching after that. That was the most ridiculous thing I ever seen in the NFL

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Bump

glad they won but I stopped watching after that. That was the most ridiculous thing I ever seen in the NFL

liar

[WilliamTheIrish]

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by jd1020

All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.

As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Full statement.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by jd1020

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant.You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

Thanks. I had looked right past that in my anger

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by jd1020

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

An interesting point is that Jones has possession of the ball.

Can a player with possession of the ball get called for roughing the passer?

Let’s say it’s a tipped ball, he catches it with two hands and lands full body weight on the QB while catching it. Is that RTP?

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Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

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How can you be expected to do that while possessing the ball.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

And that's fine. But there actually has to be some roughing going on. Chris Jones did absolutely nothing that could be considered roughing the passer. He even propped himself up on his arm as he fell to avoid falling on Carr.