Chris Jones

[WilliamTheIrish]

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by jd1020

All of that makes sense to me.

The rule itself doesn't.

As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

As is the case more than ever in this league, Cheffers called what he thought he saw. But you know he never saw the fumble/strip.

The catch/no catch was a huge overturn. But they took the time to get it right. To allow that call to stand, is just a terrible precedent.

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Full statement.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Full statement.

I want to punch that smug zebra even more after reading that. He better hope and pray that I never catch him alone at the George Brett statue. I will jack him up so bad that his own mother won't recognize him.



(Adam T. should have pointed out that Jones broke his fall with his hand and then ask if Cheffers was legally blind.)

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by jd1020

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant.You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

Thanks. I had looked right past that in my anger

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by jd1020

By rule the fumble doesn't matter if a penalty is involved. So whether or not he saw it is irrelevant. You can still rough a passer after he throws the ball so logically you can still rough a passer on a strip sack. However, this whole landing with your body weight on a player you are tackling is just dumb as ****.

An interesting point is that Jones has possession of the ball.

Can a player with possession of the ball get called for roughing the passer?

Let’s say it’s a tipped ball, he catches it with two hands and lands full body weight on the QB while catching it. Is that RTP?

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Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.

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How can you be expected to do that while possessing the ball.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by SupDock

An interesting point is that Jones has possession of the ball.

Can a player with possession of the ball get called for roughing the passer?

Literally just happened tonight. So... yes?

Originally Posted by SupDock

Let’s say it’s a tipped ball, he catches it with two hands and lands full body weight on the QB while catching it. Is that RTP?

Really not sure how the **** that entire scenario would happen without it being 1 player tackling the QB and another player catching the ball, but if the guy tackling the QB was called for a penalty, then by rule, yes.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Literally just happened tonight. So... yes?



Really not sure how the **** that entire scenario would happen without it being 1 player tackling the QB and another player catching the ball, but if the guy tackling the QB was called for a penalty, then by rule, yes.

I mean, I get that it did happen. . .
I just think, for instance, if you land with your full body weight, because you are reaching for a fumble, you shouldn’t be expected to not reach for the wall to protect the QB. Or not protect the ball you possess to protect the QB

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

And that's fine. But there actually has to be some roughing going on. Chris Jones did absolutely nothing that could be considered roughing the passer. He even propped himself up on his arm as he fell to avoid falling on Carr.

[Abba-Dabba]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

Carl Cheffers is obviously a dumb ****.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Carl Cheffers explanation:

“Even though Carr was being sacked, he deserves the full protection of the RTP”.

Follow up: “Even though it was a fumble”?

Cheffers: “yes”.

Even with out the fumble it’s horse shit. I don’t care if the QB is involved or not, it’s tackle football and if you have the ball your ass is fair game to be tackled.

They just continue to erode the integrity of the game. It may not seem possible to most right now but, it is possible to kill the golden goose.