Chris Jones

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Would you say the overwhelming majority of tackles made dont end up with the tackler with all of his weight going down on the person he tackled?

Ya, occasionally its going to happen, and occasionally it's going to get a flag. Thats how rules work.

The problem here is that the rule has gone too far and the QB is protected to the point of it not being football any more.

I didn't play football, but correct me if I'm wrong. Do they teach you to tackle with the crown of your helmet in a players chest or offset to the side and your shoulder driving through them? If it's the latter then you are already at a position in which the center of your mass is offset from the center of the player you are tackling and its pretty ****ing hard to come down on them with your full weight.

Pay attention. In order to tackle, as in the textbook mechanics of tackling (part of it anyway) require the tackler to WRAP HIS ARMS AROUND THE OPPOSING PLAYER AND BRING HIM TO THE GROUND.

So, try to follow along here: If I wrap my arms around a person with the intent to tackle, does it follow logically that my body is going to necessarily be very near or actually touching the other player?

What do you think?

Is that probable?

Do me a favor and cogitate on that for awhile.

So when I complete the act of tackling (bringing the other player to the GROUND), what are the odds that my body is going to be near or actually touching the other player? Maybe like 100%? Okay, something could go differently so let's just say 95%.

Now, and I need you to follow along here for just a bit longer, the player I'm trying to tackle is trying NOT TO GET TACKLED, right? He's going to resist being tackled, so as the tackler I have to commit myself to dragging/throwing this guy to the ground, right? Any way possible, because that's how you're coached.

So what the **** am I supposed to do if I think I MIGHT land on top of a guy? Just give up on making the tackle?

This is the problem with this idiot rule. It doesn't take into account that these are actual athletes and that even as the tackler you don't always get 100% determination of how that tackle goes. And it's going to end most of the time with some guy on top of another because, well, as humans the tackler must necessarily put himself very near or actually be touching the other player to make a tackle at all.

Actually, just do this. Go to your nearest HS that has a football program and sign a waiver and try to tackle some teenage players. Then come back and defend this idiot rule.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Now, and I need you to follow along here for just a bit longer, the player I'm trying to tackle is trying NOT TO GET TACKLED, right?

We are talking about a blind hit on a QB here. The rule is there to protect a defenseless passer. So your entire argument goes up in flames right here.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by jd1020

We are talking about a blind hit on a QB here. The rule is there to protect a defenseless passer. So your entire argument goes up in flames right here.

Uh, wasn't Carr actually running away from CJ? As in he knew damned well that he was about to be sacked/tackled, which would explain why he was RUNNING AWAY? Then, and again try to keep up, CJ knocked the ball out of his hands right before he makes bodily contact with Carr, right? So no ball, which means Carr can't possibly be a passer anymore right? Can't throw a ball if you don't actually have one to throw, right?

Ack, I'm done with this; it's like talking to a baboon's ass. On to the Bills.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Uh, wasn't Carr actually running away from CJ? As in he knew damned well that he was about to be sacked/tackled, which would explain why he was RUNNING AWAY? Then, and again try to keep up, CJ knocked the ball out of his hands right before he makes bodily contact with Carr, right? So no ball, which means Carr can't possibly be a passer anymore right? Can't throw a ball if you don't actually have one to throw, right?

Suggest you get your eyes checked.

If you think Carr was running then you are the only person on earth who thinks that, just like Cheffer is the only person on earth who thinks it was roughing.

Don't think I can take your lessons on tackling any more if thats your definition of running.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Suggest you get your eyes checked.

If you think Carr was running then you are the only person on earth who thinks that, just like Cheffer is the only person on earth who thinks it was roughing.

Don't think I can take your lessons on tackling any more if thats your definition of running.

Lol, even your QB didn't think it was roughing:
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/st...80167299252227

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, even your QB didn't think it was roughing:
https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/st...80167299252227

Do you have a point? No one thinks it was roughing. That still doesn't excuse your sorry ass explanation for how it went down with your reeruned arrogance.

Now pay attention here because it's important. If you think Carr was running in an attempt to avoid being hit you are a ****ing moron.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Do you have a point? No one thinks it was roughing. That still doesn't excuse your sorry ass explanation for how it went down with your reeruned arrogance.

Now pay attention here because it's important. If you think Carr was running in an attempt to avoid being hit you are a ****ing moron.

So, yes I slightly misremembered the play. Technically Carr is not running at the exact moment CJ catches him. Nice catch, genious.


Carr climbs the pocket when he sees/feels CJ beating the RT, so he's running. Or at least he sure isn't walking.

In fact, CJ has to chase him down, because Carr runs straight up the pocket, hesitates, then begins to head to his left, which about when CJ catches up to him. So technically Carr is not actually running at the moment when CJ makes contact with him, but he was less than half a second before CJ gets there.

Semantics aside, CJ is going just about full speed when he swats the ball out of Carr's hand and almost simultaneously collides into him. And unfortunately for CJ he's completely squared up with Carr, which doesn't leave him any physical way to do anything other than what he did, which was basically run Carr over. CJ does get his left hand out to brace himself, which should've negated the RTP flag. And quite honestly Cheffers, while being in the worst position to make that call, still should've seen CJ's arm/hand out to Carr's side trying to prevent his body from coming down on Carr.

So Cheffers still ****ed up.

But believe whatever dipstick theory you want.