Don't blame MEH for his performance Monday night

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

So this is Clyde's fault? I'm not acting like hes all world or anything but you literally just listed off a bunch of failures on the OL to do their job and pass it off on Clyde for not making chicken salad out of chicken shit.

The mental gymnastics people have to go through to shit on a guy that's 4.4 YPC for his career is pretty insane.

No he's not great. No he's not worth the draft pick. Also, no there isn't a better RB on this team.

A RB's job isn't to make an easy cutback for big yards?

Now the ONLY expectation we have of a starting runningback, draft status be damned, is that he run through open holes when the play is designed to hit that hole?

How many times did Jacobs get us on cut-backs yesterday? A half dozen? And typically Jacobs isn't even that great - certainly not someone know for being elusive or explosive. But he was able to do exactly what you're passing off as wholly impossible here.

The other guys get paid as well, y'know. It doesn't always go to script. I'm not asking the guy to go in motion left, take the handoff and immediately re-set his momentum and cut to the right. I'm saying that a RB coming downhill with a run that appears to have been designed to hit the right side B gap should easily be able to see that giant hole opening on the left side B game and cut into it. It isn't hard and it's not too much to ask.

Yes, I'm absolutely blaming that on Clyde. He's not some short yardage hammer of a RB - he's GOTTA be able to use vision to succeed and it sure looks like he doesn't have that club in his bag.

If all he can do is hit giant holes that open right where they're designed, he's literally as replaceable a player as exists in this sport.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If all he can do is hit giant holes that open right where they're designed, he's literally as replaceable a player as exists in this sport.

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

OP was an attempt to put lipstick on a pig - THAT'S why people are bitching. A fair reading of the responses would be 'pushing back on an unsupportable narrative'.

That 4.5 YPC you note is essentially one decent game. A game where a 7th round rookie was noticeably more explosive than he was. Apart from that game he has 129 yards in 4 games, and 40% of THOSE yards came on a single carry.

He's essentially thrown up 2 bagels in his last 3 starts and in the 3rd of those starts he was outplayed by a rookie. With that context, someone started a thread trying to defend a guy who's demonstrated 2+ seasons of underwhelming performance.

Yeah, that's gonna meet some resistance - as well it should.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Not saying he isn't replaceable. I would imagine a big part of them drafting Pacheco is just that, to replace CEH. However, Pacheco hasn't shown anything more than Clyde at this point. He wasn't picking up as many yards as CEH. He was bad with the same blocking in which the OL sucked and he was good in the same games that the blocking didn't suck.

CEH is still the best RB we have on the roster. So he may be replaceable, but he's currently not replaceable with the RBs the Chiefs have on their roster.

So wtf are we bitching about 4.5 YPC for every ****ing week, even when he has a good game?

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Pacheco hasn't shown **** all better than CEH. He was equally bad in the same games that CEH wasnt productive in because the run blocking was trash and he wasn't as good in the games where they were both productive. It's like people think Pacheco has shown more because he moves his feet faster which means he just gets to the ass of his blocker faster for minimal gain. People want to argue that Pacheco has potential to break off a big run, yet his long is like 20 yards shorter than CEH's. People want to act like Pacheco moves the pile and CEH doesnt yet CEH had a full yard more in YAC per attempt when that argument was brought up. Pacheco may have more potential given his speed, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is better yet and every argument to suggest he has is so easily disproven by a 30 second google search.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by jd1020

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Pacheco hasn't shown **** all better than CEH. He was equally bad in the same games that CEH wasnt productive in because the run blocking was trash and he wasn't as good in the games where they were both productive. It's like people think Pacheco has shown more because he moves his feet faster which means he just gets to the ass of his blocker faster for minimal gain. People want to argue that Pacheco has potential to break off a big run, yet his long is like 20 yards shorter than CEH's. People want to act like Pacheco moves the pile and CEH doesnt yet CEH had a full yard more in YAC per attempt when that argument was brought up. Pacheco may have more potential given his speed, but he hasn't shown anything to suggest he is better yet and every argument to suggest he has is so easily disproven by a 30 second google search.

How come with Pacheco you don't bring up his 4.8 ypc like you do CEHs 4.5ypc?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by -King-

How come with Pacheco you don't bring up his 4.8 ypc like you do CEHs 4.5ypc?

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

I mean CEH's YPC is extremely inflated by his 52 yard run. Without it he's averaging 3.4ypc. Take Pacheco's longest run out and he's still averaging 4.2.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because CEH was ahead of him in YPC til they were icing the Buccs game and they were just pounding the ball and Pacheco was on the field against the Raiders for all of 1 run for 0 yards.

He hasn't shown dick to say he is better than CEH and the fact he got 1 carry against the Raiders is all the evidence you need.

Lmao, Pacheco is much better than MEH.

You're a ****ing reerun dude. Him getting 1 carry against the Raiders is just proof that Andy will play a veteran over a more talented rookie. Anyone that watches MEH and Pacheco and comes to the conclusion that MEH is the better RB is pretty clueless.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by jd1020

McKinnon isn't even the same kind of RB. He is faster and can get to the edge but ask him to run up the middle and see how long he lasts. Before last night he had a 3 YPC average.

Subtract Jerrick's 30 yarder, and his average drops to 3.28yds/att.

Just sayin'.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

What has CEH shown you that makes you think he is better than McKinnon or Pacheco? Just curious where this line of thinking is coming from, because he gets more carries?

Yea, seems to me McKinnon is better. But being injury prone, I can understand why they would want to limit his carries.

I don't particularly think Pacheco is better than CEH, yet. But his ceiling sure looks higher and I'm not convinced his floor is any lower.