Is it time for Mike Tomlin to step aside?

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Tomlin made the playoffs last year with the corpse of Big Ben at QB. He's dealt with some of the most toxic personalities in sports in that locker room with Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell and kept them somewhat under control.

You get him a good OC and a decent QB and he'll win you 10 games every single year. With the way some of these recent coaching hires are looking, the Steelers would be fools to let him go. If he's the one who wants a break and a change of scenery, I would definitely understand that from him end.

He'll have his choice of openings if they do decide to split up.

[FloridaMan88]

Tomlin has built up his “never had a losing season” so called achievement with a bunch of 8-8/9-7 seasons.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Tomlin made the playoffs last year with the corpse of Big Ben at QB. He's dealt with some of the most toxic personalities in sports in that locker room with Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell and kept them somewhat under control.

You get him a good OC and a decent QB and he'll win you 10 games every single year. With the way some of these recent coaching hires are looking, the Steelers would be fools to let him go. If he's the one who wants a break and a change of scenery, I would definitely understand that from him end.

He'll have his choice of openings if they do decide to split up.

I'm not too much of a fan of Tomlin. But I generally agree with you except the part about toxic personalities. Why do people think he does a good job? Antonio Brown & Leveon Bell became toxic under his watch. I would assume he was instrumental in bringing guys like George Pickens in. And he did nothing while Juju and Claypool created unnecessary distraction. Meanwhile, there are plenty of rumors that he fed into Ben's stubbornness which led to his refusal to adjust to his game. Either he can't control these toxic personalities or he has terrible judgment.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I'm not too much of a fan of Tomlin. But I generally agree with you except the part about toxic personalities. Why do people think he does a good job? Antonio Brown & Leveon Bell became toxic under his watch. I would assume he was instrumental in bringing guys like George Pickens in. And he did nothing while Juju and Claypool created unnecessary distraction. Meanwhile, there are plenty of rumors that he fed into Ben's stubbornness which led to his refusal to adjust to his game. Either he can't control these toxic personalities or he has terrible judgment.

I suppose that’s all true as well. Much like you I’m not actually a huge fan either, but sustained success like he’s had is hard to ignore in a league like this. Especially when so many teams are floundering in absolute mediocrity. You know Carolina or Detroit would probably pounce on a guy like him if he became available. He at the very least gives your culture some legitimacy.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

I suppose that’s all true as well. Much like you I’m not actually a huge fan either, but sustained success like he’s had is hard to ignore in a league like this. Especially when so many teams are floundering in absolute mediocrity. You know Carolina or Detroit would probably pounce on a guy like him if he became available. He at the very least gives your culture some legitimacy.

I don't think Detroit is going to move on from Campbell, IMHO.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by Coach

I don't think Detroit is going to move on from Campbell, IMHO.

Well, as of right now he’s 4-17-1 since taking over. I’m not seeing too many more wins on the schedule this year either although they’ve played tough in most of their games. Let’s say they go 3-14 or something, I don’t see how you keep a coach who wins 6 games in 2 years. Although, they are the Lions I suppose.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Well, as of right now he’s 4-17-1 since taking over. I’m not seeing too many more wins on the schedule this year either although they’ve played tough in most of their games. Let’s say they go 3-14 or something, I don’t see how you keep a coach who wins 6 games in 2 years. Although, they are the Lions I suppose.

It's more so of repairing the culture which was badly needed in Detroit when Campbell arrived. Their roster was completely gutted a year ago, and Detroit has made a very clear effort to fill those spots with young, developmental pieces who are still learning through mistakes.

I should note that their offense is pretty good. They are 8th in the NFL on Rushing Yards per game, 7th in the NFL on Passing Yards per game, and 3rd in the NFL at Points per game. At this stage, they are still investing in developing their youth and they're trying to weather the injury storms.

Their biggest issue is their defense as they're giving up 34 points per game. That is last in the NFL. If they have a middle of the pack scoring defense, their record would have been better than 1-4.

I think Detroit will finish with 6 wins.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

Well, as of right now he’s 4-17-1 since taking over. I’m not seeing too many more wins on the schedule this year either although they’ve played tough in most of their games. Let’s say they go 3-14 or something, I don’t see how you keep a coach who wins 6 games in 2 years. Although, they are the Lions I suppose.

Originally Posted by Coach

It's more so of repairing the culture which was badly needed in Detroit when Campbell arrived. Their roster was completely gutted a year ago, and Detroit has made a very clear effort to fill those spots with young, developmental pieces who are still learning through mistakes.

I should note that their offense is pretty good. They are 8th in the NFL on Rushing Yards per game, 7th in the NFL on Passing Yards per game, and 3rd in the NFL at Points per game. At this stage, they are still investing in developing their youth and they're trying to weather the injury storms.

Their biggest issue is their defense as they're giving up 34 points per game. That is last in the NFL. If they have a middle of the pack scoring defense, their record would have been better than 1-4.

I think Detroit will finish with 6 wins.

And just like that @Wisconsin_Chief, Lions has hit the 6-win barrier. I had them going 6, so at least I got that nailed, with 4 games left to play.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Coach

It's more so of repairing the culture which was badly needed in Detroit when Campbell arrived. Their roster was completely gutted a year ago, and Detroit has made a very clear effort to fill those spots with young, developmental pieces who are still learning through mistakes.

I should note that their offense is pretty good. They are 8th in the NFL on Rushing Yards per game, 7th in the NFL on Passing Yards per game, and 3rd in the NFL at Points per game. At this stage, they are still investing in developing their youth and they're trying to weather the injury storms.

Their biggest issue is their defense as they're giving up 34 points per game. That is last in the NFL. If they have a middle of the pack scoring defense, their record would have been better than 1-4.

I think Detroit will finish with 6 wins.

The hilarious irony is that Detroit may have gotten good enough to not even attempt to upgrade the QB position. Having a team this good and betting the farm on Goff to take you far seems like the Lionsiest of moves.