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Old 10-19-2022, 09:31 AM  
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Bills defensive plan vs the Chiefs


Not sure if anyone has the athletic or not but here's a cool article breaking down the Bills game plan.

Basically, they had Miller now and didn't last year and he allows this defensive gameplan to work
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:16 AM   #136
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:18 AM   #137
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:19 AM   #138
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:19 AM   #139
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I have NO issue with us running the ball more - hell, I've called for it numerous times. The problem I have is with the who (is running the ball) and the with the what (plays we are running).
Me too.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:23 AM   #140
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Well, kind of.

The NFL has long been called a 'copycat league'. And for good reason.

If everyone is going to adapt the Fangio two deep S, drop 7 and be able to pressure with 4 thing as an answer to these young stud QB's who can chuck it 70 yards then yeah.

So you have to counter. What's the counter? Well, it's less sexy than Jet Chip Wasp, and it requires patience, but it's not a mystery.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:27 AM   #141
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Well, kind of.

The NFL has long been called a 'copycat league'. And for good reason.

If everyone is going to adapt the Fangio two deep S, drop 7 and be able to pressure with 4 thing as an answer to these young stud QB's who can chuck it 70 yards then yeah.

So you have to counter. What's the counter? Well, it's less sexy than Jet Chip Wasp, and it requires patience, but it's not a mystery.
The way to beat that isn't to just run it though. A little more run game, sure. Have at it. But just as it wasn't always then, it's not now to just hand it off.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:27 AM   #142
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Chris Meck has it right:

The best way to take pressure off your OT's is to be able to slow those DE's down by rushing the ball EFFECTIVELY. Jamming CEH up Thuney or Trey's ass doesn't scare anyone. Hell, there really aren't many DE's that can't get to Clyde if he slips past the LOS. Now, Isaiah (or JM1) getting past the LOS is a different story. They can actually break loose and do some damage. The problem is that we don't run enough for any of our backs, or OL to get into any sort of rhythm in the running game. You have to commit to it, and we have shown ZERO willingness or patience to do it. I get it, you have PMII in the backfield, so why not pass every down (or the overwhelming majority)? Well, the answer is because your OT's are DE turnstiles and it's not going to hold up against the better teams.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:43 AM   #143
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The way to beat that isn't to just run it though. A little more run game, sure. Have at it. But just as it wasn't always then, it's not now to just hand it off.
well, sure.

I would argue that in KC's case, the RPO is no longer the way to go. For a few reasons-first off, it puts your offensive line in a difficult position, second-Mahomes doesn't want to hand it off, he wants to throw and defenses know this, and 3-the key read for Mahomes is the EDGE player, right? Well, defenses are coached to maintain their rush lanes as they know how dangerous Mahomes is outside the pocket. So I don't think it's particularly useful anymore. I think we oughta scrap it.

I think we should run more plays under center.

I think we should run more plays with multiple TE's; they're a matchup problem in coverage, and can help with chips on those edge rushers to help our OT's. Brown needs the help to keep the EDGE in front of him, and Wylie blows goats. When you DO run the ball, you have numbers up front. It was working earlier in the season, and we just abandoned it the last couple of weeks.

I'm not advocating a return to Martyball, but committing to a balanced attack is the best way to help your OT's and plays to the strengths of your offensive line as well as helping your passing game.
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Old 10-20-2022, 08:59 AM   #144
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See...the thing with the running game is this: It takes patience.

CP sees a 2 yard run and says: FAIL! Don't take the ball out of Mahomes' hands!

But that's not even a fraction of the picture.

If you keep pounding, if you stay balanced between running and passing, those two yard runs become 4, 5, 10 yards. The pass rushers have to honor their run responsibilities first, which slows the pass rush. It opens up play-action in the passing game.

But it takes patience. It takes will.

Yes, we have Mahomes, yes, he's a generational talent, but it's still football. We have OT's that struggle with speed rushers. Best way to negate a speed rusher? Run right at 'em.
I agree. They'll sometimes get a good run on first down and then pass on the next five consecutive plays. Reid has never been patient with the running game. Bienemy is a former RB yet he doesn't seem to mind either. They ran well against Tampa, which is supposed to have the best run defense in the league.
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Chris Meck has it right:
So did I, 2 weeks ago, after a victory. But no one wanted to talk about it because :
1. We won.

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2. I'm rabblerouser, so I get disregarded immediately.

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We had over 100 yards rushing in the first half of the AFC Championship Game with a 5ypc/avg and an 18 point lead.

The Bengals were constantly dropping 7 AND 8 DEEP in the pre-snap defense formation, 3 man fronts, DARING Reid and Bieniemy to run the ball...

And they don't.

For whatever reason.

Now...understanding that we will never, ever present a "decent" running game without even a fleeting commitment to running the ball with a 3 score lead and 3 man defensive front...is your point that Reid will never present a "decent running game" and therefore, should probably quit pretending that RPO is going to go back to 2018 and put 50 TDs on the board via the air again?

Because it's not happening.
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Yeah the AFCCG proved that Andy will never commit to a running game because that was the perfect scenario to do it.


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We failed against the Bills because we were horrendous on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and long doesn't help your OTs at all. It doesn't matter who you have out there blocking for Mahomes when it's consistently 3rd and long.
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Entire OL but1 did it’s job here. Wylie gets wrecked. If Patrick gets even 1 more second then it s big gain.

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There is obviously a problem when Brown's best bet is to continually block the DE wide 10 yards beyond the LOS and then Wylie getting beat to the inside. If Wiley can force his guy wide, then Mahomes has a pocket.
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We failed against the Bills because we were horrendous on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and long doesn't help your OTs at all. It doesn't matter who you have out there blocking for Mahomes when it's consistently 3rd and long.
Right, but I'm addressing why that is.

And as for being in 3rd and long, well, if your OT's can't pass block, you're going to be in 3rd and long anyway, more often than not. And I'd offer that at least if you only get two yards on first running the ball, that's better than an incomplete pass or sack because at least you've shown the defense that you WILL run the ball, which does make the pass rush actually play it honestly.

So I offer my prescription.

More snaps under center, more two and three TE sets to help chip block as well as run block, more commitment to being balanced in run/pass ratio. Less RPO, more effective play-action.

I'll add more quick slants to my prescription as well.
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There is obviously a problem when Brown's best bet is to continually block the DE wide 10 yards beyond the LOS and then Wylie getting beat to the inside. If Wiley can force his guy wide, then Mahomes has a pocket.
I wish Reid adjusted better in that game and gave up on routes that take time to develop. It clearly wasn't happening. Though on that replay, the O-Line didn't give Mahomes any time to throw. He likely didn't want to drop further for fear of a safety in the end zone.
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