I don’t see much talk about Pacheatcode becoming the new #1

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Everybody was pounding the table for Clyde—their favorite player to hate—to be demoted. And what do you know. The very next week, Andy gave you your wish. Yet nobody cares?

Let the reign of Pacheatcode begin.

[JPH83]

Said it at the beginning of the season and I haven't changed my opinion. McKinnon is our best RB, but you just can't flog him to death.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Are you talking about the 2 holds that opened up a huge running lane? If not for that? Come on...

I'm not sure that would have made a difference on that play, but ok....5.4 yds/carry and an excellent return.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

I'm not sure that would have made a difference on that play, but ok....5.4 yds/carry and an excellent return.

You are talking about the run that got called back when Thuney literally clothes lined a guy that was in the backfield and probably would have tackled him for a loss, right? How would that not have made a difference?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

As for the getting into a rhythm thing...

This board creamed its collective shorts over Derrick Henry for years. What's Henry without a bunch of carries to get into a rhythm and wear the defense down? Probably a 3 ypc back. Especially without good holes.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You are talking about the run that got called back when Thuney literally clothes lined a guy that was in the backfield and probably would have tackled him for a loss, right? How would that not have made a difference?

It may or may not have. He doesn't go down as easily as the other backs.

Doesn't take away the fact that he juked a couple defenders after that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

As for the getting into a rhythm thing...

This board creamed its collective shorts over Derrick Henry for years. What's Henry without a bunch of carries to get into a rhythm and wear the defense down? Probably a 3 ypc back. Especially without good holes.

Well seeing as how the most prolific quarter of his career is the 2nd quarter (2K+ yards at 5.6 yards/carry), this seems like maybe not a very good argument.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It may or may not have. He doesn't go down as easily as the other backs.

Then why does he have less yards after contact per attempt than CEH?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Then why does he have less yards after contact per attempt than CEH?

Sample size I guess.

Do you really think that CEH is harder to bring down? Or more evasive for that matter?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As a whole they've been dead-ass average while playing against light boxes. Worse still, that average performance has come via 2 very strong games and 4-5 wholly forgettable ones.

We just need more reliability and consistency out of them if this is what we're going to do.

I don think yesterday's run game was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Rushing Car Yds Avg TD Lng
Isiah Pacheco 8 43 5.4 0 17
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 6 32 5.3 1 16
Mecole Hardman 2 28 14.0 2 25
Jerick McKinnon 2 12 6.0 0 9

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Well seeing as how the most prolific quarter of his career is the 2nd quarter (2K+ yards at 5.6 yards/carry), this seems like maybe not a very good argument.

That’s surprising to me, yet he probably averages more carries in the first quarter than Pacheco has had in a full game to date.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

Sample size I guess.

Do you really think that CEH is harder to bring down? Or more evasive for that matter?

Do you even watch CEH? This whole he goes down easy argument is mind blowing to me. Ya there are plays where he gets taken down at the point of contact. And there are just as many plays where hes standing up 3 or 4 guys and pushing for extra yards. Like on that goal line run a couple weeks ago where he was stopped like 2 yards short and bent in half backwards and still managed to stay up and push to the plane for the TD.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don think yesterday's run game was as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Rushing Car Yds Avg TD Lng
Isiah Pacheco 8 43 5.4 0 17
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 6 32 5.3 1 16
Mecole Hardman 2 28 14.0 2 25
Jerick McKinnon 2 12 6.0 0 9

I don’t know why anyone would think it was bad at all, considering the defense the were facing.

[Direckshun]

Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back
Pacheco on early downs, McKinnon on passing downs, CEH as a change of pace back

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

That’s surprising to me, yet he probably averages more carries in the first quarter than Pacheco has had in a full game to date.

That's because you believe in rhythm runningbacks.

They're not a thing. Or at least they're an extremely rare thing.

Defenses get tired. They get tired chasing QBs and WRs on passing plays as well. And they don't get the kind of rest/rotation that the skill position guys they're chasing around get.

The idea that the way to tire out a defense is to run at them doesn't stand up to scrutiny and the idea that a RB will suddenly start seeing holes he wasn't seeing in the first half if you keep giving him the football doesn't pass the sniff test.

And again, even if it DID, the juice doesn't justify the squeeze. Half-assing drives in the first half with unproductive runs so that you can have more productive runs in the second half makes zero sense. Just move the damn ball. First drive, last drive and all drives in between. If you're running it well, keep running it. If you're passing it well, keep passing it.

But if you aren't running it well early, the idea that you should keep doing it so you can run the ball better (but still move the ball less efficiently than you would passing it) just doesn't make any sense.

[KChiefs1]

He’s no “rookie year” Kareem Hunt but I thought he was alright. I still think McKinnon is their best RB. He has a burst I love & he isn’t afraid of sticking his head into a defender.


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