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Old 10-23-2022, 06:16 PM  
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"The Chiefs offense is better without Tyreek Hill"


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Tyreek Hill 2021: 1,239 yards

Travis Kelce 2021: 1,125 yards

Mecole Hardman 2021: 693 yards

Total touchdowns: 20
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JuJu pace 2022: 1,200 yards

Kelce pace 2022: 1,343 yards

MVS pace 2022: 896 yards

Total touchdowns pace: 22
FLAME AWAY.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:03 AM   #106
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over the course of a season these things balance out - for instance, kelce getting robbed of a TD yesterday, and dropping one in Indy

i'm here to tell you, you can have full confidence in the pace of the kansas city chiefs, your favorite football team
Right, they will balance out as the season goes on (and you will see that), but we're talking about on pace stats 7 games into the season.

Kelce's played 134 games and has only ever had that 1 game with 4 TDs. Kelce is not likely to hit 17 TDs and Hardman is even less likely to hit 12 TDs.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:04 AM   #107
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I've got another one. According to the NFL.com power rankings, the Chiefs have a league-best 22 plays of 25+ yards this season, compared to the 14 they had in the entirety of the 2021 season.

We traded away Tyreek Hill and are, apparently, even more explosive.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:13 AM   #108
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I've got another one. According to the NFL.com power rankings, the Chiefs have a league-best 22 plays of 25+ yards this season, compared to the 14 they had in the entirety of the 2021 season.

We traded away Tyreek Hill and are, apparently, even more explosive.
Because:

Defenses now have to pick their poison.

When it was only Kelce or Hill to worry about, you could play 2 deep, because we couldn't beat you with anybody else. (Although we still could beat you anyway, most of the time.)

You wanna play two deep now? No problem.

ALSO-get a load of the new backshoulder stuff! i'd been wondering why we didn't do that stuff with even our crappy bigger receivers we had in the past. Now, with Juju and MVS the back shoulder stuff is on the menu. Just another way to kill opposing defenses.

None of our current WR's are Hill, but all of them do pieces of Hill's game well.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:15 AM   #109
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Right, they will balance out as the season goes on (and you will see that), but we're talking about on pace stats 7 games into the season.

Kelce's played 134 games and has only ever had that 1 game with 4 TDs. Kelce is not likely to hit 17 TDs and Hardman is even less likely to hit 12 TDs.
The thing with the 'on the pace' argument is that we just went through the toughest part of the schedule with all new WR's and a struggling OL due to injuries. (I guess. I hope.)

So now the schedule lightens up quite a bit, along with the new WR pieces obviously becoming more comfortable.

So I don't expect this offense to slow down dramatically.
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Old 10-25-2022, 08:33 AM   #110
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Kelce's played 134 games and has only ever had that 1 game with 4 TDs. Kelce is not likely to hit 17 TDs and Hardman is even less likely to hit 12 TDs.
this is a post tyreek world where anything is possible

also, you need to consider the stats are being looked at as an aggregate

it is HIGHLY likely kelce, juju and MVS combine for 22 TD this year, because juju is going to score more than 2 TDs in the last 10 games, and MVS more than 0

i'd say kelce hits 12, juju 6 and MVS 4, conservatively
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this is a post tyreek world where anything is possible

also, you need to consider the stats are being looked at as an aggregate

it is HIGHLY likely kelce, juju and MVS combine for 22 TD this year, because juju is going to score more than 2 TDs in the last 10 games, and MVS more than 0

i'd say kelce hits 12, juju 6 and MVS 4, conservatively

Well, sure, but that's not what you were saying.
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Old 01-14-2023, 11:34 AM   #112
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Old 01-14-2023, 11:50 AM   #113
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Tyreek Hill 2021: 1,239 yards

Travis Kelce 2021: 1,125 yards

Mecole Hardman 2021: 693 yards

Total touchdowns: 20


JuJu pace 2022: 1,200 yards

Kelce pace 2022: 1,343 yards

MVS pace 2022: 896 yards

Total touchdowns pace: 22
Let's revisit, with adjustments for Hardman's injury.

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Hill/Kelce/Hardman: 3,057 yards, 20 TD

Total targets: 376
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Kelce/Juju/MVS: 2,958 yards, 17 TD

Total targets: 334
Since it's not a fair comparison here, let's find 40 more targets to even out. Where could we find 40 targets...well hell, how about Hardman's 34?

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Kelce/Juju/MVS/Hardman: 3,255 yards, 23 TD

Total targets: 368
Notes: Chiefs scored 1 more PPG in 2022 and had over 250 more yards passing.

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The Chiefs trading Tyreek for all those draft picks plus cap space is like trading a zit on your face for a free trip to Belize
yeah! with a hot babe with a great ass and a big rubber glove! Oh wait...
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This discussion isn't complete without including McKinnon. I don't think a RB gets as many targets if Hill is on the team. 512 yards and 9 TDs.
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https://youtu.be/PPHS1SCFAdI

I don’t know how to embed on mobile.

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It's kind of a pain in the ass on a phone... in the youtube app, you have to click share and get the link. Then open in a browser and find the 'full desktop version' option in the browser settings (fortunately, Chrome has finally started remembering the preference), then share and embed as you would on a desktop.

That said... subscribed.


He mentioned in another video that the Vikings have a negative point differential. Hadn't noticed that.... a bit insane for being 13-4.
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It seems like it ought to be very clear that this offense is BETTER when it spreads the ball around. less predictable, almost impossible to defend.

Yet people want to go drop a bunch of money on Hopkins or whoever.

No, man. Draft and develop, and keep a diversified offense that can beat you any number of ways. It's better.
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This discussion isn't complete without including McKinnon. I don't think a RB gets as many targets if Hill is on the team. 512 yards and 9 TDs.
You're right. You don't play man against Tyreek Hill, you play zones with deep help. That means defenders are facing the line of scrimmage.

Now, teams are playing man a lot, which means most defenders are turned and running with receivers downfield.

We've got zone beaters all over the place. Mckinnon, Toney, Hardman-and yeah, MVS to some extent-those are the man beaters.
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This discussion isn't complete without including McKinnon. I don't think a RB gets as many targets if Hill is on the team. 512 yards and 9 TDs.
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