Chiefs 2023 Cap Discussion - Page 2

Dante84 · 11-03-2022, 04:33 PM

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc
— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

Chris Meck · 11-03-2022, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

you just committed the Chiefs to at least $200 million and you still need to pay guys like Creed, Bolton, Sneed, Trey etc

We can’t just keep putting off the bill on every player. Mahomes will still be here way past these contracts. We have to live within our means.

You don't have to pay Creed and Smith in '23. You'll probably need to extend them in '24.

You have to extend and pay Sneed, and we should. The rest of the secondary other than Reid are all rookies, so we won't have to choose to pay anyone for three more years. It's brilliant, really.

Clark gone saves $20m, which pays most of Jones' new deal.

We're in really good shape.

TomBarndtsTwin · 11-03-2022, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

MVS, Moore, Watson, and Toney would probably be totally fine assuming all reach their potential IF we fix OT and the DL.

Agreed, although I would fill out that WR room with a one year ‘prove it’ guy looking to perform and get paid. Just like they did with JuJu this year.

Guys will want to play here with Mahomes to make bank. Especially with Reek gone now (not taking away targets) and Kelce getting older (despite still being elite).

TomBarndtsTwin · 11-03-2022, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You don't have to pay Creed and Smith in '23. You'll probably need to extend them in '24.

You have to extend and pay Sneed, and we should. The rest of the secondary other than Reid are all rookies, so we won't have to choose to pay anyone for three more years. It's brilliant, really.

Clark gone saves $20m, which pays most of Jones' new deal.

We're in really good shape.

Solid point here. Because you’ve got that all rookie CB class, that allows you to pay one max CB contract right now (starting next year). Sneed is worth every bit of it. You absolutely extend him and pay him. He’s such a versatile chess piece in Spags defense. Kind of like what HB used to be before he started making ‘business decisions’.

dlphg9 · 11-03-2022, 06:34 PM

You have to extend Jones out 2-3 more years.

Give Sneed a deal. Out of all of our CBs if they don't extend Snead, then they won't ever extend anyone. He's so versatile.

You offer OBJ a deal that pays around $18 mil/yr and if he doesn't take that, then look elsewhere.

Extend Willie Gay out and try to get him to sign fairly cheap while you can.

Hope that you can get JJSS signed long term.

Find another starter for DE and RT.

TomBarndtsTwin · 11-03-2022, 06:44 PM

Agree on Jones.

OBJ and his agent ain’t signing for $18 mil. per, just not gonna happen. Chiefs should look elsewhere but I have a feeling they’re gonna try and get something done with him for more than most of us are gonna like.

Your also gonna have to choose between Willie Gay and Nick Bolton. The Chiefs won’t pay both $10 mil. + each. I’m going with Bolton if I’m the Chiefs.

JuJu gonna want to get paid. You let him walk and sign another one year ‘prove it’ guy looking to make bank. Mahomes is Mahomes and can make another guy look great and get him a big contract as well the following year. Rinse, repeat.

Chris Meck · 11-03-2022, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

You have to extend Jones out 2-3 more years.

Give Sneed a deal. Out of all of our CBs if they don't extend Snead, then they won't ever extend anyone. He's so versatile.

You offer OBJ a deal that pays around $18 mil/yr and if he doesn't take that, then look elsewhere.

Extend Willie Gay out and try to get him to sign fairly cheap while you can.

Hope that you can get JJSS signed long term.

Find another starter for DE and RT.

I'd extend Sneed.

I let OBJ walk, and take the 3rd comp. I snatch Yosh Nijman, RFA, away from Green Bay as they're already paying Bahktiari and won't want to pay TWO LT's. A middle of the pack LT contract should be enough to do that.

I'll extend Gay.

I probably cut MVS (saves $9m) not because I don't like him, but because you could use that money to re-sign JuJu. I feel like you can find a speedster to replace MVS easier in the mid rounds of the draft.

Cut Clark, and put that $20 to extending Jones.

DJ's left nut · 11-03-2022, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You don't have to pay Creed and Smith in '23. You'll probably need to extend them in '24.

You have to extend and pay Sneed, and we should. The rest of the secondary other than Reid are all rookies, so we won't have to choose to pay anyone for three more years. It's brilliant, really.

Clark gone saves $20m, which pays most of Jones' new deal.

We're in really good shape.

As it presently stands, I don't extend Smith.

Chris Meck · 11-03-2022, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As it presently stands, I don't extend Smith.

I'm assuming that he's been playing hurt, as he doesn't look like the same guy. He was better last game. Let's see if he's 100% after the bye.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-03-2022, 06:59 PM

Chris jones no matter what will give us huge cap relief. We're either going to cut him (not ideal) or we turn his $23m salary into bonus which saves us a LOT of money. Knowing these are the 2 scenarios I can't imagine the chiefs don't either cut or swim.

dlphg9 · 11-03-2022, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As it presently stands, I don't extend Smith.

Do you think they will even extend Creed? He's gonna get at least $15 mil/yr, because he will be the highest paid center. That's pretty steep for a center. We haven't extended a center since he's been here and have lost 2 really good ones in Hudson and Morse. We let Morse go cuz his head was maybe going to scramble, but I don't think there is anyway they give a ton for a C because we never have problems replacing them.

I also don't extend Smith and just try to get one in the draft. We have no problem finding interior guys and we need to have some guys in rookie deals.

dlphg9 · 11-03-2022, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Agree on Jones.

OBJ and his agent ain’t signing for $18 mil. per, just not gonna happen. Chiefs should look elsewhere but I have a feeling they’re gonna try and get something done with him for more than most of us are gonna like.

Your also gonna have to choose between Willie Gay and Nick Bolton. The Chiefs won’t pay both $10 mil. + each. I’m going with Bolton if I’m the Chiefs.

JuJu gonna want to get paid. You let him walk and sign another one year ‘prove it’ guy looking to make bank. Mahomes is Mahomes and can make another guy look great and get him a big contract as well the following year. Rinse, repeat.

Bolton isn't signing for $10 mil and could easily sign for a top 3-5 ILB contract which will be around $17 mil/yr.

If Gay keeps playing as well as he has been, then you extend him this off season. He'd be coming off his only season of great production and if you offer him an $8-$10 mil/yr contract, then you can probably get him to sign.

I keep both of those guys, because we've went so long with shit at LB.

Wisconsin_Chief · 11-03-2022, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

MVS, Moore, Watson, and Toney would probably be totally fine assuming all reach their potential IF we fix OT and the DL.

And I’m betting that’s what they’re planning on.

Seems the Chiefs are going with a “WR by committee” approach which always keeps the cupboard full of options and depth. If JuJu keeps rolling he’ll get $20 million a year easily. No way will KC pay that after trading Hill in a similar situation.

This seems to be working. Always going to be guys wanting to play with Mahomes to cash in. I’ll take rentals all day if that’s all he needs and we can invest resources elsewhere.

TomBarndtsTwin · 11-03-2022, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Bolton isn't signing for $10 mil and could easily sign for a top 3-5 ILB contract which will be around $17 mil/yr.

If Gay keeps playing as well as he has been, then you extend him this off season. He'd be coming off his only season of great production and if you offer him an $8-$10 mil/yr contract, then you can probably get him to sign.

I keep both of those guys, because we've went so long with shit at LB.

I wasn’t suggesting he would, just that both he and Gay will require 10+ mil. per year contracts and that there is no way the Chiefs will pay them both. They just won’t. And if I have to pick one, I’m picking Bolton. Even if it means paying him a bit more per year than Gay would get. Really feel like he will be the anchor of this defense for years to come.

Would love to have both going forward, but I think it’s just not in the cards.

Chris Meck · 11-03-2022, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Do you think they will even extend Creed? He's gonna get at least $15 mil/yr, because he will be the highest paid center. That's pretty steep for a center. We haven't extended a center since he's been here and have lost 2 really good ones in Hudson and Morse. We let Morse go cuz his head was maybe going to scramble, but I don't think there is anyway they give a ton for a C because we never have problems replacing them.

I also don't extend Smith and just try to get one in the draft. We have no problem finding interior guys and we need to have some guys in rookie deals.

After two seasons of Reiter, I'd pay Creed.

Chris Meck · 11-03-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

I wasn’t suggesting he would, just that both he and Gay will require 10+ mil. per year contracts and that there is no way the Chiefs will pay them both. They just won’t. And if I have to pick one, I’m picking Bolton. Even if it means paying him a bit more per year than Gay would get. Really feel like he will be the anchor of this defense for years to come.

Would love to have both going forward, but I think it’s just not in the cards.

If we can keep churning CB's other than Sneed, we could.

11-03-2022, 04:33 PM
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-2008004 VARSITY	2023 Cap Discussion If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap. Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166 Simple Restructure: $67,070,657 Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823 Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052 Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218 According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures. That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc — Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022
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11-03-2022, 06:34 PM	#19
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1600347	You have to extend Jones out 2-3 more years. Give Sneed a deal. Out of all of our CBs if they don't extend Snead, then they won't ever extend anyone. He's so versatile. You offer OBJ a deal that pays around $18 mil/yr and if he doesn't take that, then look elsewhere. Extend Willie Gay out and try to get him to sign fairly cheap while you can. Hope that you can get JJSS signed long term. Find another starter for DE and RT.
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11-03-2022, 06:44 PM	#20
TomBarndtsTwin MVP Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $2349883	Agree on Jones. OBJ and his agent ain’t signing for $18 mil. per, just not gonna happen. Chiefs should look elsewhere but I have a feeling they’re gonna try and get something done with him for more than most of us are gonna like. Your also gonna have to choose between Willie Gay and Nick Bolton. The Chiefs won’t pay both $10 mil. + each. I’m going with Bolton if I’m the Chiefs. JuJu gonna want to get paid. You let him walk and sign another one year ‘prove it’ guy looking to make bank. Mahomes is Mahomes and can make another guy look great and get him a big contract as well the following year. Rinse, repeat.
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11-03-2022, 06:59 PM	#24
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1725503	Chris jones no matter what will give us huge cap relief. We're either going to cut him (not ideal) or we turn his $23m salary into bonus which saves us a LOT of money. Knowing these are the 2 scenarios I can't imagine the chiefs don't either cut or swim.
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