2023 Cap Discussion

[RunKC]

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

No way in hell should we go $24 mil/yr for Juju. I'd do up to like $18 or so, but Tyreek is basically on a $24 mil/yr contract in Miami. It's essentially a 4 yr $95 mil contract because that last year he has a $50 mil cap hit and only $5 mil in dead cap.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

Please tell me that’s a typo.

No way in hell do you pay a #2 WR 24m aav. Juju is a good WR, don’t get me wrong…but he’s far from Davante Adams or other WR in that pay bracket.

I’d be perfect with giving Juju a 3 year extension for around 45m total with half fully guaranteed, but past that is probably better to pass and let him get that deal in FA so we max a comp pick.

Would be nice to lose Bienemy to a HC spot to get another 3rd rounder in this next draft and the one after that.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Please tell me that’s a typo.

No way in hell do you pay a #2 WR 24m aav. Juju is a good WR, don’t get me wrong…but he’s far from Davante Adams or other WR in that pay bracket.

I’d be perfect with giving Juju a 3 year extension for around 45m total with half fully guaranteed, but past that is probably better to pass and let him get that deal in FA so we max a comp pick.

Would be nice to lose Bienemy to a HC spot to get another 3rd rounder in this next draft and the one after that.

If JJSS plays for the rest of the year like the SF game then I'd happily pay what you're suggesting, he'd be worth it. Until that point I was in the "let him walk" camp but if something has clicked and they've worked out his usage, cool, $14-15m a year is fine. I just don't think he's a guy worth more outside of a team with Mahomes.

I'd have been tempted to ditch MVS like Chris to free up some of that money. But I can see he is a different piece of the puzzle and prioritising JJSS and letting MVS go probably leaves you with more guys doing the same things in the same areas of the field. I don't particularly rate MVS but I can see value I guess, just about.

If it came down to Bolton or Gay we obviously prioritise Bolton. I like both but he's waaaay more important than Gay, it isn't as hard as it used to be finding big, fast guys at LB. It IS hard finding smart LBs who can process quickly. If Bolton wants Warner money it might be a problem, because he aint Warner. But Milano type money, maybe a little more, absolutely. I like Gay but I think we can do without him/find a replacement.

I'd probably extend Sneed now, Creed and Smith - I know we're good at churning through IOL and CBs but I'd keep some stability. If it comes down to it Smith obviously goes. I'd prioritise keeping Creed on number 1 centre money over keeping Smith on a decent wedge.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

They went with the WR by committee and didn't pay Tyreek, no way you blow that up and pay JJSS 24 million dollars per year.

Look for the next JJSS

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Don’t understand not paying Juju even if it’s $24 million average.

His first year in 2023 will be cheap, then in 2024 you cut MVS to get $12 million and still have Toney, Skyy and whatever rookie you want to draft.

We saw what not having a presence like Sammy Watkins did to us for years. Don’t let Juju walk

We traded Hill because he wanted $25 million avg on his contract but lets pay JuJu basically the same amount.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

We traded Hill because he wanted $25 million avg on his contract but lets pay JuJu basically the same amount.

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

Juju is not worth that kind of scratch. No.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Juju is not worth that kind of scratch. No.

This is a projection on my part but I think at the beginning of the season he wasn’t on the same page but now he is. He’s currently on pace for 1,200 yards.

I think that’s going up. Wouldn’t surprise me if he gets around 1,500 yards by seasons end.

He’s a very good weapon for us

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Tyreek’s contract is $30 million average

No problem paying Juju $20-24 million especially when the WR is cheap.

Tyreek Hill was just as much about the draft compensation as anything.

It's actually $23.75M average with a balloon year that he'll never play on.


So unless that Juju contract is a $12-14mil a year deal with a $60mil balloon year at the end to inflate the AAV, I have no idea why the hell you're talking about 24mil.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

It's actually $23.75M average with a balloon year that he'll never play on.


So unless that Juju contract is a $12-14mil a year deal with a $60mil balloon year at the end to inflate the AAV, I have no idea why the hell you're talking about 24mil.

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by -King-

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

For his worth or for what he's competing with?

His value is going to be elevated because there are very few good FA WR's after this year, he's arguably the best one.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by -King-

Once again, because overthecap is including the balloon year.

Let's simply this. Not including a balloon year, how much do you think Juju should get.

What he's saying is that ALL contracts (pretty much) have balloon years at the end.

Therefore it doesn't matter if you look at actual AAV or include the ballon years instead. Because it's not about absolute dollar value, it's about cost relative to other players at his position.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Are you naive enough to think Tyreek’s contract is the only contract built that way? You realize the vast majority of contracts are right? Well unless you’re Brown Jr and object to it.

Here’s his APY per over the cap.

APY is irrelevant.

'Practical Guarantees' are all that's really important. Hill's practical guarantees are $72 million over the next 3 seasons. And it's extremely likely he ends up at $95 million over 4, though not a given.

If it's your position that a JJSS or OBJ contract would be similarly inflated at the back end so we should adjust our expectations accordingly - okay; doesn't bother me much.

It just doesn't seem to be a conversation worth having unless/until terms are agreed upon and we start to see what they truly are.

Until then, I think most people speak to contracts in terms of their practical guarantees rather than their overall APY.