2023 Cap Discussion

[Dante84]

If we were to absolutely max out all restructures, we would have almost $119M in cap space according to Over The Cap.

Effective Cap Space: $8,449,166

Simple Restructure: $67,070,657
Possible Cap Space: $75,519,823

Maximum Restructure: $110,459,052
Possible Cap Space: $118,908,218

According to @Jason_OTC, the #Chiefs could have $118,908,218 in cap space in 2023, with maximum restructures.

That would be the fourth-most cap space if every team maximized their restructures. #InVeachWeTrust pic.twitter.com/0ezsiCNhFc

— Jacob Milham (@JMilTheHam) November 3, 2022

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sam Williams maybe, but I don't think going in needing a RDE and a LT and expecting that out of one draft is smart.

No, it isn't.

So you sign that Ninja guy that Crow likes away from GB as a backup plan.

I still really struggle to get my head around paying top of the market money for someone that just doesn't really fit our system. OBJ is one of the best examples of a mis-matched part I can come up with in all of football.

He isn't a bad player. I think he's probably a pretty good one, in fact. He's just not a good fit in this system.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, it isn't.

So you sign that Ninja guy that Crow likes away from GB as a backup plan.

I still really struggle to get my head around paying top of the market money for someone that just doesn't really fit our system. OBJ is one of the best examples of a mis-matched part I can come up with in all of football.

He isn't a bad player. I think he's probably a pretty good one, in fact. He's just not a good fit in this system.

That was a move that there weren't any other options so the Chiefs just went with it because they couldn't realistically go into a year without a LT.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, it isn't.

So you sign that Ninja guy that Crow likes away from GB as a backup plan.

I still really struggle to get my head around paying top of the market money for someone that just doesn't really fit our system. OBJ is one of the best examples of a mis-matched part I can come up with in all of football.

He isn't a bad player. I think he's probably a pretty good one, in fact. He's just not a good fit in this system.

It's Njiman, and Meck is the guy that likes him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No, it isn't.

So you sign that Ninja guy that Crow likes away from GB as a backup plan.

I still really struggle to get my head around paying top of the market money for someone that just doesn't really fit our system. OBJ is one of the best examples of a mis-matched part I can come up with in all of football.

He isn't a bad player. I think he's probably a pretty good one, in fact. He's just not a good fit in this system.

Maybe not.

I still think he's here long term for some reason, I think they like him alot.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That was a move that there weren't any other options so the Chiefs just went with it because they couldn't realistically go into a year without a LT.

Yep but what happens if you go into next offseason with another hole at LT and one at DE?

I can't imagine they go into the draft with those two holes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's Njiman, and Meck is the guy that likes him.

Meck, Crow and one other guy (KC Native maybe) all look the same to me. Invariably I lose track of who wants who among that group.

Staylor's easy to remember because he calls me an asshole when I disagree with him. So if I really REALLY hate someone, it's probably because Staylor likes him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's Njiman, and Meck is the guy that likes him.

Dear god, DJLN threw up the Njiman batsignal Meck will be here soon.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

Maybe not.

I still think he's here long term for some reason, I think they like him alot.

He's only coming back if he moves off his demands you can't realistically pay him that contract for his play in the system.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That was a move that there weren't any other options so the Chiefs just went with it because they couldn't realistically go into a year without a LT.

Right.

So when they turn the lights up at the bar and your choices are a drunk 6 or your palm, you go ahead and take the drunk 6 ultimately knowing but not caring that she's probably a sober 4.

But ****ing hell, you don't have to marry her the next morning.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Dear god, DJLN threw up the Njiman batsignal Meck will be here soon.

I'm calling him Ninja from now on.

It's like when they used to mislabel songs on purpose on Napster so they wouldn't get pulled down. So much Betallica on my computer in college...

It's possible we can steer clear of the spray if we just don't make it searchable.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Right.

So when they turn the lights up at the bar and your choices are a drunk 6 or your palm, you go ahead and take the drunk 6 ultimately knowing but not caring that she's probably a sober 4.

But ****ing hell, you don't have to marry her the next morning.

That's actually an excellent analogy.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's only coming back if he moves off his demands you can't realistically pay him that contract for his play in the system.

They may have to overpay a little bit, but no way they blow it out.

But this is the reason it's so dumb to argue he should change to RT or whatever. There's only so many humans on earth that can play LT. He's 26 and has shown can play LT at a high level. If he hits FA, he's getting paid.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

And I’m betting that’s what they’re planning on.

Seems the Chiefs are going with a “WR by committee” approach which always keeps the cupboard full of options and depth. If JuJu keeps rolling he’ll get $20 million a year easily. No way will KC pay that after trading Hill in a similar situation.

This seems to be working. Always going to be guys wanting to play with Mahomes to cash in. I’ll take rentals all day if that’s all he needs and we can invest resources elsewhere.

He needs a strong OL way more than he needs big name receivers. Give him a strong OL and it won’t matter who is playing receiver with Mahomes. He also needs a solid defense. His college career is evidence that you can be an awesome QB with an awesome offense and still lose a ton of games if your defense is absolute garbage.

[Hoover]

The biggest problem for the Chiefs is the tackle position. Everything else is pretty straight forwards.

At WR, I think it's clear what's happening. They are going to let Hardman walk. You sign JuJu to a two or three year deal. That give you a WR corp of JuJu, MVS, Moore, and Toney for the next two seasons. Not only is that a lot of stability, but if Toney develops into a #1 WR, they you can take care of him when the time comes. For as bad as out WR room looked this offseason, Veach has done great work in stabilizing things at the position without breaking the bank.

EDGE - This is where the cap space has to be used IMO. While we need to continue to draft defensive playmakers, I don't think we will ever be in a position to really draft the player we need where we are drafting. The scary thing is that there isn't much out on the market to get excited about at the moment.

OT - I still think Brown is an option moving forward. Far from perfect, you just have to get him at the right price. RT is a position we need to just continue to throw mid-round draft picks at. At the bare minimum you are establishing some depth.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

But in reality a player can have a extremely high AAV and not even get close to that. It's like when Taysom Hill signed that 4 year 140mil contract and people acted like his $35M AAV was real. Teams/players can make the AAV whatever they want. So why even talk about that and pretend it's real? Let's talk about the real numbers.

If you take out Tyreek’s low cap hit this year and his ballooned cap hit in the last year of his contract, you’ve got the meat of his contract with is 3 years.

2023-$31.2 million
2024-$24.8 million
2025-$28 million

That’s an average of $28 million for those 3 years. That’s basically a QB contract. As of right now Tyreek’s $28 million average would be the 11th highest QB contract in 2024.

With Mahomes contract that isn’t realistic. In that same timeframe Mahomes contract averages $45.7 million so you’re looking at almost $74 million for 2 players.

And yes I know Patrick has the contract set up for cap relief but Clark isn’t cutting checks for Patrick every year.

It wasn’t feasible or responsible