Chiefs Some Quick Things

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 06:40 AM

Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits.

1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved.

2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment.

3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones.

4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field.

5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either.

6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look.

7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit.

8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again.

9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood.

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

KC_Lee · 11-07-2022, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.

I've been saying this about the Tits for years. The parallels with the 90s Chiefs' team and this franchise are uncanny. Great call out.

**Buehler445** · 11-07-2022, 06:54 AM

Good post. Especially #10. It’s nice to be on that side of the equation.

I’d like to add Mahomes is the best there has ever been. I’d have to rewatch to get good numbers but he biffed like what 4 or 5 passes. And that seemed more important because Martyball, but the fact is there was nothing easy. There were maybe 3 or 4 times that the checkdown looked open from the couch, but it may not have been. Either from offscreen coverage coming or pressure pushing him away.

But the man was throwing into tight ass windows all ****ing game. Their DBs got away with playing physical but the other thing they did is play really well and cover our dudes up. There were no easy throws and Reid is the king of cooking up easy shit. You’d like to see 10 easy schemed open passes a game and there were a couple? And one was Kelce just being the best TE to ever play.

****in Mahomes man. He’s the best that’s ever done it. Many will point to this game as a detractor from that but ain’t nobody else getting done what Mahomes got done. Maybe Jackson because he’s a better runner than Mahomes and that’s the part that was open. But you’d think they secondary would close on him quicker. And even ravens fans aren’t deluded enough to think Jackson is making very many of those throws.

Mahomes.

**Buehler445** · 11-07-2022, 06:55 AM

Oh. And **** Clete Blakeman

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chiefzilla1501 · 11-07-2022, 07:07 AM

A few things I feel...

If you're too nervous about running your RB on 1-2 yards even on early downs you have a massive RB issue. Get rojo ready to play asap and see if he can do what the others can't. was CEHs role last night a sign that the chiefs are ready to move on? Andy's comments indicates he wants to see rojo at some point and ceh seems like the guy most vultuted in that scenario.

The chiefs have an easier stretch of games finally. Do we need to start resting some guys wuo aren't 100%? Limit butker (kickoff Reid). Bench trey smith until he's 100%?

WR is a very big issue and we can't be bipolar with this opinion just because they have good games and bad ones. Tenn used the same blueprint they've always used against us that bellichick has had success with. Clobber our guys, especially Kelce. And to their credit, it works. We are too finesse for that. So how do we deal with physical teams? We need way more toney as our quick strike offense was great when he was in the game. We need less mvs in these types of games.

Toney was a really active blocker. I did not see that coming. Very welcome surprise.

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

A few things I feel...

If you're too nervous about running your RB on 1-2 yards even on early downs you have a massive RB issue. Get rojo ready to play asap and see if he can do what the others can't. was CEHs role last night a sign that the chiefs are ready to move on? Andy's comments indicates he wants to see rojo at some point and ceh seems like the guy most vultuted in that scenario.

The chiefs have an easier stretch of games finally. Do we need to start resting some guys wuo aren't 100%? Limit butker (kickoff Reid). Bench trey smith until he's 100%?

WR is a very big issue and we can't be bipolar with this opinion just because they have good games and bad ones. Tenn used the same blueprint they've always used against us that bellichick has had success with. Clobber our guys, especially Kelce. And to their credit, it works. We are too finesse for that. So how do we deal with physical teams? We need way more toney as our quick strike offense was great when he was in the game. We need less mvs in these types of games.

Toney was a really active blocker. I did not see that coming. Very welcome surprise.

We have an offensive line problem. Our OT's are bad. No running back in football was getting much in this game. We need to make some changes in personnel and/or scheme if we're going to fix it.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-07-2022, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We have an offensive line problem. Our OT's are bad. No running back in football was getting much in this game. We need to make some changes in personnel and/or scheme if we're going to fix it.

That's where I think you need a rojo option. You need someone who can just power through for a few even where there's nothing there. We have to have a snowplow option at least some of the time

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's where I think you need a rojo option. You need someone who can just power through for a few even where there's nothing there. We have to have a snowplow option at least some of the time

I think it would make zero difference.

O.city · 11-07-2022, 07:23 AM

Tennessee rushes 4 and drops everyone else.

They get some pressure and Pat just turtles.

He missed throws he usually makes last night because of it. Yeah Wylie and rhe run game and this or that.

But Mahomes can’t freak the **** out in the pocket like he did at times last night.

FringeNC · 11-07-2022, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We have an offensive line problem. Our OT's are bad. No running back in football was getting much in this game. We need to make some changes in personnel and/or scheme if we're going to fix it.

Yep. If our QB was a statue back there, this game would have been really ugly. Something else I find interesting -- Mahomes had 68 attempts and Moore and MVS had just one target each!

**Bwana** · 11-07-2022, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We have an offensive line problem. Our OT's are bad. No running back in football was getting much in this game. We need to make some changes in personnel and/or scheme if we're going to fix it.

You're right, it's more about the OL not being able to open up a hole, than it is our RB's. The holes are rarely there.

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Tennessee rushes 4 and drops everyone else.

They get some pressure and Pat just turtles.

He missed throws he usually makes last night because of it. Yeah Wylie and rhe run game and this or that.

But Mahomes can’t freak the **** out in the pocket like he did at times last night.

Re-read your post.

They rush 4 and drop everybody else, so if they're disciplined, nobody's open. It's a numbers game.

He missed some throws? Yeah, when multiple rushers just blow by the offensive line, I imagine so.

Freaking out in the pocket? Too many times, there was no pocket. A few times there were, and nobody was open.

It's the line. We can't run the ball at all, which puts EXTRA pressure on both the line themselves as the rushers don't have to honor their run fits and can just pin their ears back and go upfield AND Mahomes.

FringeNC · 11-07-2022, 07:31 AM

What's even more remarkable about getting stuffed every single running play was TN did that even after playing a ridiculous number of snaps. We couldn't do anything against a tired D on the ground.

Just glad Reid all but abandoned the run. Some games he sticks with it too long.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-07-2022, 07:32 AM

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I think it would make zero difference.

Im not sure I agree. Watch second half highlights here. This is the kind of runner we need in games like this. Thuney - creed - trey are fine enough that we shouldn't be this awful with up the gut runs. We need someone who's way more decisive and powers into these holes. Pacheco and ceh are more one cut guys. Rojo isn't gonna be a home run hitter. But in a game like yesterday we badly needed some pennies and nickels
https://youtu.be/gactFGBYBH8

Chris Meck · 11-07-2022, 07:33 AM

I think Wylie Coyote blowing so many goats has started to affect Trey Smith next to him.

11-07-2022, 06:40 AM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	Some Quick Things Tough, hard fought football game against a physical Titans team that always gives Andy and Mahomes fits. 1. I don't think Titans win with a hobbled Tannehill, either. Willis' outside mobility was their second best weapon. Tannehill would've completed some passes, but also would've been a sitting duck and the Chiefs' pass rush was improved. 2. Chiefs defense was outstanding. Derrick Henry is a MAN out there, and other than the one big run, they bottled him up pretty well. Those of you calling for Spags head are NUTS. Spags has been a magician this year, playing all these rookies, and still dials up the perfect play in the crucial moment. 3. Saunders needs MOAR SNAPS. He's clearly better than Nnadi. In fact, he certainly appears to be our best DT not named Jones. 4.Wylie blows goats. He's absolutely terrible, and overmatched on an NFL field. 5. Trey Smith...I don't know what's going on, but he's not been playing all that well either. 6. OBJ is not good enough. At his best, he's average. Demanding top of the market pay when you're not very good is a bad look. 7. 68 passes? Yeesh. Our inability to run the ball has got to be fixed. You can't do that every game. You just can't. I know Wylie can't run block either, but I don't understand why the other four just cannot open holes when that's supposed to be each of their strong suit. 8. The Titans are what they always are; they're a problem. They're tough, they're physical, they're well coached. You can hate Vrabel if you want, but he always has his guys ready to play hard for him. That was a VERY disciplined defense. I didn't see anything all that fancy happening coverage-wise. They just executed. They're going to be back in the play-offs again. 9. Butker. What's up with that? Dooooooood. 10. We should recognize the Titans; they're the 90's Chiefs. They played hard, they played physical, they were disciplined in coverage, they throttled the superior quarterback for 75% of the game...and then the HOF'er dialed it up and beat them. Elway used to do that shit to us all the time. Now we have the boogeyman. Damn, it feels good to be a gangster.
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11-07-2022, 06:54 AM	#3
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1545266	Good post. Especially #10. It’s nice to be on that side of the equation. I’d like to add Mahomes is the best there has ever been. I’d have to rewatch to get good numbers but he biffed like what 4 or 5 passes. And that seemed more important because Martyball, but the fact is there was nothing easy. There were maybe 3 or 4 times that the checkdown looked open from the couch, but it may not have been. Either from offscreen coverage coming or pressure pushing him away. But the man was throwing into tight ass windows all **ing game. Their DBs got away with playing physical but the other thing they did is play really well and cover our dudes up. There were no easy throws and Reid is the king of cooking up easy shit. You’d like to see 10 easy schemed open passes a game and there were a couple? And one was Kelce just being the best TE to ever play. **in Mahomes man. He’s the best that’s ever done it. Many will point to this game as a detractor from that but ain’t nobody else getting done what Mahomes got done. Maybe Jackson because he’s a better runner than Mahomes and that’s the part that was open. But you’d think they secondary would close on him quicker. And even ravens fans aren’t deluded enough to think Jackson is making very many of those throws. Mahomes.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1715503	A few things I feel... If you're too nervous about running your RB on 1-2 yards even on early downs you have a massive RB issue. Get rojo ready to play asap and see if he can do what the others can't. was CEHs role last night a sign that the chiefs are ready to move on? Andy's comments indicates he wants to see rojo at some point and ceh seems like the guy most vultuted in that scenario. The chiefs have an easier stretch of games finally. Do we need to start resting some guys wuo aren't 100%? Limit butker (kickoff Reid). Bench trey smith until he's 100%? WR is a very big issue and we can't be bipolar with this opinion just because they have good games and bad ones. Tenn used the same blueprint they've always used against us that bellichick has had success with. Clobber our guys, especially Kelce. And to their credit, it works. We are too finesse for that. So how do we deal with physical teams? We need way more toney as our quick strike offense was great when he was in the game. We need less mvs in these types of games. Toney was a really active blocker. I did not see that coming. Very welcome surprise.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-685936	Tennessee rushes 4 and drops everyone else. They get some pressure and Pat just turtles. He missed throws he usually makes last night because of it. Yeah Wylie and rhe run game and this or that. But Mahomes can’t freak the **** out in the pocket like he did at times last night.
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11-07-2022, 07:31 AM	#13
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1743986	What's even more remarkable about getting stuffed every single running play was TN did that even after playing a ridiculous number of snaps. We couldn't do anything against a tired D on the ground. Just glad Reid all but abandoned the run. Some games he sticks with it too long.
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11-07-2022, 07:33 AM	#15
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1325090	I think Wylie Coyote blowing so many goats has started to affect Trey Smith next to him.
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