Chiefs Some Quick Things

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You are reading way too much into the breakdown of what conference the teams are from. They have had tight games against teams that typically play them tight with the exception of the Raiders but it was a division game so they are always a challenge.

The fact is they have the best offense in football so if they are "struggling" they are doing that better than any other team in the NFL.

No they aren't perfect, Mahomes isn't perfect, but usually when they aren't scoring its mostly self inflicted. Last night they just got outplayed up front. Mahomes was pressured 22 times. So that's about 1/3rd of his drop backs and he actually stood in the pocket more than usual.

"Best offense in football" is like the tallest midget right now. Tom Brady was correct a few weeks ago when he said there's a ton of ugly football being played in the NFL these days. The Chiefs are part of that, with 5 of 8 games being very ugly performances on the offensive side of the ball. Defenses are playing well this year and refs are messing up the flow up the game for many teams. Combine those two factors and it's a lot of ugly football if you aren't a defensive coach/player right now.

Marcellus · 11-07-2022, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

"Best offense in football" is like the tallest midget right now. Tom Brady was correct a few weeks ago when he said there's a ton of ugly football being played in the NFL these days. The Chiefs are part of that, with 5 of 8 games being very ugly performances on the offensive side of the ball. Defenses are playing well this year and refs are messing up the flow up the game for many teams. Combine those two factors and it's a lot of ugly football if you aren't a defensive coach/player right now.

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

I don't think it's too much to hope for 27-30 points per game against AFC opponents. They are capable of this, but they aren't doing it so far this year. Gotta find a way to be better in the later part of the season against AFC teams, especially the playoffs. Do you think 21 points per game will be good enough in playoff games against teams with explosive offenses like Cincy, Miami, or Buffalo?

**dirk digler** · 11-07-2022, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

I don't think it's too much to hope for 27-30 points per game against AFC opponents. They are capable of this, but they aren't doing it so far this year. Gotta find a way to be better in the later part of the season against AFC teams, especially the playoffs. Do you think 21 points per game will be good enough in playoff games against teams with explosive offenses like Cincy, Miami, or Buffalo?

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

DRM08 · 11-07-2022, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The other correlation you could make is the low scoring games have come at home mostly.

Yeah, that's been an interesting trend with the Chiefs for a number of years.

Marcellus · 11-07-2022, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO. 21 points per game in the 5 "struggle" games I mentioned against AFC teams. That low rate of scoring is similar to the 20th best offense in the NFL. They scored over 40 points per game in the 3 strong games against the NFC.

Do you know what EPA is?

Do you think Buffalo has a better offense? Or Cincy?

**Lzen** · 11-08-2022, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Points are the only thing that matter IMHO....

That's a pretty narrow viewpoint. I mean, sure, in the end points are all that matter. And I've seen that argument made over and over regarding the defense. While true, it ignores a lot of factors. Keeping the ball and driving and accumulating a lot of yards actually helps your own defense.

Still, like you, I would hope that we can figure out how to score 30 points consistently. And frankly, I think this team will get that figured out. We tend to forget that we have several new receivers this year. It takes time. This team struggled through a dry spell on offense in the middle of the season last year, too. The difference was that last year's struggle was worse, IMO. We'll get it figured out, IMO.

DRM08 · 11-08-2022, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

That's a pretty narrow viewpoint. I mean, sure, in the end points are all that matter. And I've seen that argument made over and over regarding the defense. While true, it ignores a lot of factors. Keeping the ball and driving and accumulating a lot of yards actually helps your own defense.

Still, like you, I would hope that we can figure out how to score 30 points consistently. And frankly, I think this team will get that figured out. We tend to forget that we have several new receivers this year. It takes time. This team struggled through a dry spell on offense in the middle of the season last year, too. The difference was that last year's struggle was worse, IMO. We'll get it figured out, IMO.

Agree that last year was much worse. Mahomes was in a huge slump and eventually dug himself out of it by December & January. Valid point about the new receivers. It was good to see Toney making some plays. I hope he can help them become more consistent as an offense later in the season. Would be nice if Andy could figure out the run game as well. That would make them a lot tougher to stop.

**Bearcat** · 11-07-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Dude I'm not trying to homer out here or anything but I just cant keep having a conversation where 5 of 8 games the offense has been shit yet almost halfway through the season KC has the most efficient offense in the NFL and its not even marginally close. The gap between KC and Buffalo (#2) is as big as the gap between Buffalo and the #16 offense.

I mean mother of God those other 3 games were really really really powerful by your argument.

It takes a special effort to find shit to worry about these days, but goddamnit if we have to break down splits until we find the Chiefs struggle on offense at home on 3rd and 7+ in the 3rd quarter of prime time games when the other team is playing on a short week, we'll get there.