Josh allen (bills)

[Oh Snap]

Has almost 100 rushing yds against the jets and 2 interceptions. Currently down against the jets, but that could change.

Allen reminds me of a prime Cam newton. He's physical and isn't afraid to use his body to take punishment. But I can't help but think he'll have a shorter career like cam as a result of it.

Thoughts? (Slow day waiting for the chiefs)

[penguinz]

Even if he is able to play the elbow is not something the will heal without rest and he will continue to damage it more.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Manning was the better QB, while Brady had the better teams/defenses.

Manning choked a lot in the playoffs. Both of his rings were primarily from the defense carrying him. Brady has been pretty clutch in his career, though also extremely fortunate in some situations like the tuck rule fumble & Dee Ford offsides.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Manning choked a lot in the playoffs. Both of his rings were primarily from the defense carrying him. Brady has been pretty clutch in his career, though also extremely fortunate in some situations like the tuck rule fumble & Dee Ford offsides.

Or the Wilson INT or Belechick shutting down the greatest show on turf. Or shutting down a dominant Rams offense (after the Ford offsides). Or having a Bucs defense carry him to a SB and then dominating a patchwork OLine from KC with Mahomes being hobbled by turf toe. I will give Brady credit for a couple of SBs but to say he was clutch is disingenuous. He has greatly benefited from great defenses and sheer luck over the course of his career.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Even if he is able to play the elbow is not something the will heal without rest and he will continue to damage it more.

i think this is gonna be like baker playing with a torn labrum last season or brees with a torn rotator cuff in 2020

reduced ability to play QB but at least you're still giving yourself a puncher's chance on the strength of the rest of the team to win in the postseason

the bad news for the bills is josh doesn't have brees accuracy...if his velocity and range is decreased their offense is going to look a lot less sexy

[Rainbarrel]

Next time he's sacked and on the ground. Draw a line from his beak straight out

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Or the Wilson INT or Belechick shutting down the greatest show on turf. Or shutting down a dominant Rams offense (after the Ford offsides). Or having a Bucs defense carry him to a SB and then dominating a patchwork OLine from KC with Mahomes being hobbled by turf toe. I will give Brady credit for a couple of SBs but to say he was clutch is disingenuous. He has greatly benefited from great defenses and sheer luck over the course of his career.

Very fortunate in those situations for sure. He was extremely clutch in the Falcons Super Bowl (massive comeback) and very clutch in the shootout to beat the Panthers. I would say he was pretty clutch in the Bucs Super Bowl as well. He was pretty damn good in the loss to Nick Foles. That game falls on Belichick’s defense.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Nah, Brady found the equivalent of his old AFC East by moving to the NFC South. Panthers, Falcons, & Saints are all a total dumpster fire. AFC West is better than that. Chiefs were damn lucky to squeak out wins against Chargers & Raiders earlier this season. I would expect the rest of KC’s division games to be pretty close ballgames.

The Chiefs have lost 4 divisional games since Mahomes started in 2018 and one of those games was a throwaway game that Patrick sat bc we had rhe 1 seed locked up already.

Mahomes is 24-3 as a starter against the AFC West. That’s…incredible.

For reference Brady was 86-22 vs the AFC East as a Patriot. That’s a 80% winning percentage.

Mahomes has an 89% record.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Very fortunate in those situations for sure. He was extremely clutch in the Falcons Super Bowl (massive comeback) and very clutch in the shootout to beat the Panthers. I would say he was pretty clutch in the Bucs Super Bowl as well. He was pretty damn good in the loss to Nick Foles. That game falls on Belichick’s defense.

He was clutch in the Falcons SB no doubt which is why I didn’t mention that one. Same for the Panthers one. I definitely give credit where credit’s due. The Bucs SB I don’t know. Their defense dominated a weakened KC offense. Brady was trash that entire playoffs and if not for his defense he never even sniffs that SB.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by tredadda

He was clutch in the Falcons SB no doubt which is why I didn’t mention that one. Same for the Panthers one. I definitely give credit where credit’s due. The Bucs SB I don’t know. Their defense dominated a weakened KC offense. Brady was trash that entire playoffs and if not for his defense he never even sniffs that SB.

That’s a valid point on the earlier part of the playoffs. Brady threw 3 INT on the Packers and still won. Rodgers just didn’t take advantage. But when they got to the Super Bowl, Brady did play very well. Certainly it helped that the Chiefs offense was struggling with the injured OL and injured Mahomes. But Brady still had his fair share of very good plays against the KC defense.

[Hammock Parties]

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Injuries in Quarterbacks vs. Pitchers

https://ericcressey.com/ulnar-collat...ks-vs-pitchers

However, what is very interesting to me is that 9/10 cases were treated non-operatively; in other words, Tommy John surgery is much less prescribed in football quarterbacks than baseball pitchers – meaning that the quarterbacks respond better to conservative treatment.

In my eyes, it’s due to the sheer nature of the stress we see in a baseball pitch in comparison to a football throw. As a quarterback, you can probably “get by” with a slightly insufficient UCL if you have adequate muscular strength, flexibility, and tissue quality.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Injuries in Quarterbacks vs. Pitchers

https://ericcressey.com/ulnar-collat...ks-vs-pitchers

Makes sense as QBs don’t typically throw as hard for as long or as frequently as pitchers do. Plus they have completely different throwing motions.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Injuries in Quarterbacks vs. Pitchers

https://ericcressey.com/ulnar-collat...ks-vs-pitchers

That's a really nice breakdown/comparison. I hadn't found that.

And it makes sense that the UCL is more important for baseball than football. In baseball, most pitches thrown involve a lot of pronation, which puts stress on the UCL.

It also probably makes the throw he made on 4th down less meangingful, at least in regards to whether it's a torn UCL...

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by tredadda

He was clutch in the Falcons SB no doubt which is why I didn’t mention that one. Same for the Panthers one. I definitely give credit where credit’s due. The Bucs SB I don’t know. Their defense dominated a weakened KC offense. Brady was trash that entire playoffs and if not for his defense he never even sniffs that SB.

In the Panthers SB on the final drive the Panthers kicked the kickoff out of bounds. It isn't like he had to go far.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DRM08

That’s a valid point on the earlier part of the playoffs. Brady threw 3 INT on the Packers and still won. Rodgers just didn’t take advantage. But when they got to the Super Bowl, Brady did play very well. Certainly it helped that the Chiefs offense was struggling with the injured OL and injured Mahomes. But Brady still had his fair share of very good plays against the KC defense.

He was also bailed out by the refs multiple times, one of which was an INT.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

In the Panthers SB on the final drive the Panthers kicked the kickoff out of bounds. It isn't like he had to go far.

The Panthers were doing their job, helping Brady.