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Old 11-08-2022, 03:52 PM   #1
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Passrusher is a more premium position and it's harder to find really good starters late in the draft, or even with midrounders, than with secondary players.

Spags has demonstrated he can convert almost any player into an excellent schematic player.

We have not demonstrated that at DL for years.

Edit: Josh Allen would have been an outstanding addition, given his history for Joe Cullen. But that seems virtually impossible now.
I'm not trading multiple 1sts for anybody that's not a QB. Period.

I'd draft a speed rusher, 1-tool guy at 32 and take my chances from there.
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Old 11-08-2022, 03:56 PM   #2
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I'm not trading multiple 1sts for anybody that's not a QB. Period.

I'd draft a speed rusher, 1-tool guy at 32 and take my chances from there.
Yes, you made that abundantly clear. And now we're entering the next season with Danna and Karlaftis as our starters at DE. Three cheers for rigid dogma.

So you're extending Orlando Brown? Franchising him and just hoping the rookie you draft next year immediately succeeds? Because otherwise you're going to need that 1st.

Of course, we wouldn't have to take any chances at 32 if we had just invested it in Allen. But I'm not here to re-litigate the failures of the past. I'm just here for the hate.
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:08 PM   #3
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Yes, you made that abundantly clear. And now we're entering the next season with Danna and Karlaftis as our starters at DE. Three cheers for rigid dogma.

So you're extending Orlando Brown? Franchising him and just hoping the rookie you draft next year immediately succeeds? Because otherwise you're going to need that 1st.

Of course, we wouldn't have to take any chances at 32 if we had just invested it in Allen. But I'm not here to re-litigate the failures of the past. I'm just here for the hate.
Dude, you're talking in circles.

If LT HAS to be addressed, you won't have a 1st round pick, whether you take a DE there or traded it away. Either way, you don't have the ammo to go get a LT.
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:13 PM   #4
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Dude, you're talking in circles.

If LT HAS to be addressed, you won't have a 1st round pick, whether you take a DE there or traded it away. Either way, you don't have the ammo to go get a LT.
I've been the clearest, actually. My call in late October was to back the Brinks truck up for Chubb, and then draft a tackle in the first round.

At the trade deadline, I would've traded for Allen/Chubb/Burns and extended Brown. The Chiefs love him.

Right now? My plans didn't come true, yours all did on that front. So I don't know what the passrush plan is in 2023 if the Chiefs are planning to move on from Brown. Just hope a superb talent gets cut, I guess.

Y'all are just pinning hopes and dreams to your dogma.
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:14 PM   #5
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I've been the clearest, actually. My call in late October was to back the Brinks truck up for Chubb, and then draft a tackle in the first round.

At the trade deadline, I would've traded for Allen/Chubb/Burns and extended Brown. The Chiefs love him.

Right now? I don't know what the passrush plan is in 2023 if the Chiefs are planning to move on from Brown. Just hope a superb talent gets cut, I guess.

Y'all are just pinning hopes and dreams to your dogma.
Dude, trading for any of those 3 would have required the first round pick you want to spend on a LT. You cannot do BOTH.
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Old 11-08-2022, 04:19 PM   #6
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Dude, trading for any of those 3 would have required the first round pick you want to spend on a LT. You cannot do BOTH.
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Why are you spending a 1st on a LT when your own scenario means you DO NOT NOT HAVE A FIRST ROUND PICK?
Nope, you're confused. You realize I have links to all of this, right? And I've provided it in the OP? This isn't disputable.

In late October, my plan was to draft a tackle in the 1st and sign a premier DE like Chubb in FA.

Before the trade deadline, my plan was to extend Brown and trade the 1st (plus more) for a premier DE.

Now, I don't know what my plan is. It probably involves extending Brown and drafting DL in the 1st. But I don't like that plan remotely, compared to the other two above.
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Old 11-08-2022, 09:27 PM   #7
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Dude, you're talking in circles.

If LT HAS to be addressed, you won't have a 1st round pick, whether you take a DE there or traded it away. Either way, you don't have the ammo to go get a LT.
say it with me....

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Old 11-09-2022, 08:55 AM   #8
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say it with me....

Yosh Nijman.
He's played well but he's also not faced the best competition. If you look at the win rate charts, he's winning at about the same rate as Brown but has faced decidedly inferior pass rushers.
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He's played well but he's also not faced the best competition. If you look at the win rate charts, he's winning at about the same rate as Brown but has faced decidedly inferior pass rushers.
The big plus for me on Nijman is that he's not going to demand a record setting contract for 'decent' LT play.

OBJ's demands pretty much sour me on him entirely. He's just okay, and that doesn't cut it with me considering.

Nijman saves you probably $10m per. That's significant coin.
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The big plus for me on Nijman is that he's not going to demand a record setting contract for 'decent' LT play.

OBJ's demands pretty much sour me on him entirely. He's just okay, and that doesn't cut it with me considering.

Nijman saves you probably $10m per. That's significant coin.
But is he good enough? If he's no better than Brown, saving that $10M per isn't all that significant.
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Old 11-09-2022, 10:21 AM   #11
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say it with me....

Yosh Nijman.
I still wouldn't sleep on the Packers putting a 1st round tender on him.

Now that doesn't mean they wouldn't turn around and trade him anyway, but a 2nd round tender is about $4 million and takes the ball out of their hands (because someone might be willing to give that up). He was undrafted so an original round tender means dick.

So if they tender him at $4 million (and I believe they absolutely would), why not just up the ante to the $5.5 million 1st round tender so you can completely control how it progresses.

And if nobody bites on the 1st round tender, they can go hunting for the best possible 2nd round pick available and trade his rights to that team for a better 2 than we'd give up.

I don't think this is going to be as simple as you do - the Packers aren't going to be passengers in the process, IMO.
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