Is CEH on his way out of KC?

[htismaqe]

I was watching the All 22 and it suddenly dawned on me - CEH barely saw the field.

So I started digging through his snap counts and discovered that his snaps dropped by almost THIRTY since Tampa.

In the last two games he's only had 17 snaps in each game. In fact, when you factor in the total number of plays on offense, his numbers have dropped from an average of about 43% of total snaps to 27% against San Fran and 17% against the Titans.

They weren't kidding when they said they were going to make Pacheco the starter but from what I can see, CEH is now the THIRD RB.

Are the Chiefs signaling something here?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, you're talking about one game? Okay, you win, if we're just going to talk about one game, then fine, whatever.

I'm talking about known capabilities between two RBs. Not what happened in one game. You want to argue about this single game? Fine, Rojo might've been okay in place of CEH on Sunday.

Who cares?

Watch any game. Our backs aren't asked for much route wise. Chip, run to the right flat. Be the check down. Chip, run to the left flat. Be the check down. Wheel route. Repeat.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

Watch any game. Our backs aren't asked for much route wise. Chip, run to the right flat. Be the check down. Chip, run to the left flat. Be the check down. Wheel route. Repeat.

So we never run screens for our RBs. Didn't know that. Must've imagined the ones I saw a few weeks ago. No angle routes, even though I know I saw one earlier in the season. But don't believe my lying eyes, got it.

But seriously, you just listed three things Rojo doesn't do.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So we never run screens for our RBs. Didn't know that. Must've imagined the ones I saw a few weeks ago. No angle routes, even though I know I saw one earlier in the season. But don't believe my lying eyes, got it.

But seriously, you just listed three things Rojo doesn't do.

Ronald Jones runs screens. And no we don't run nearly enough of them for our running backs. And barely any angle routes.

And when you need to run those fancy schmancy screens that are so hard to run, you can put McKinnon in, or Pacheco in anyways.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ronald Jones runs screens. And no we don't run nearly enough of them for our running backs. And barely any angle routes.

And when you need to run those fancy schmancy screens that are so hard to run, you can put McKinnon in, or Pacheco in anyways.

How long have you been a fan? Since before Mahomes was the QB1 our RBs run routes from every possible position. X, Y, Z, H whatever. This is Andy's offense. How many times did we see Kareem run routes from the X or the Y? Dozens, at least. Probably close to hundreds.

Look, it comes down to flexibility, or in footballspeak, being multiple. RBs in Andy's offense have to be multiple. And have to be able to pass pro. THat's the job in a nutshell.

Rojo isn't multiple, and he doesn't pass pro very well, if you can call what he does in passing downs, pass pro.

CEH will pass pro, so automatically he's up a rung from RoJo in Andy's offense. Nothing to argue about there, period. Gotta protect the half-billion dollar QB.

Then you have to be able to run routes from at least the RB and slot (Y/H) just to stay on the field if Pat decides to go hurry up. That's how half the big plays happen; Pat sees a defense he wants to exploit and goes no huddle, keeping the DC from substituting. Rojo doesn't have that capability. Sod you have to sub him out if he can't do certain things, which allows the DC to sub as well.

The exact opposite of what Andy and Pat want.

Look, don't argue with me, go to RoJo's house and get on his ass for not being able to stay on the field because he won't pass pro.

If he could pass pro and run the plays Pat and Andy want to run in no-huddle, then yeah, let's get him on the field, because empirically he's a better runner than CEH.

But he can't, so Andy won't, so this is a moot discussion, again. Over before it starts.

[Mecca]

Man..I really wanted Travis Etienne he would have been money in this offense.

[KC_Connection]

I don't know but I certainly hope so.

[Pepe Silvia]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Kick the tires on Boobie Miles?

The doctor from Midland doesn’t want him to play.

[dlphg9]

No to Ronald Jones.

Also we need to stop trying to get 3 ****ing guys in the rotation. We need a 1-2 punch. McKinnon is our 3rd down back and is the best option out of the backfield and in pass protection. So he is getting one of the spots. My choice for the other spot would be Pacheco. Pacheco is the "starter" and should be getting like 55% of snaps and 12-20ish rushes a game. McKinnon can have like 5-8 rushes and a few receptions.

This 3 man shit is making it hard to get anything going.

Also if Pacheco is the starter then he shouldn't be returning kicks

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Man..I really wanted Travis Etienne he would have been money in this offense.

Dude…me too. He would’ve been perfect.


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[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by RubberSponge

Has the run game improved since his time has been cut? If it has, great. It hasn't looked it though. Maybe the problem isn't solely with CEH then.

It isn't.

CEH absolutely isn't a great fit for the zone blocking schemes Andy Heck has the line blocking out, but for real CEH doesn't have great vision, isn't particularly quick, doesn't cutback when the expected hole doesn't appear, doesn't set his blockers up well when they DO carry out their assignments, lacks ball awareness, doesn't catch well, and totally fumbled away the football with the game on the line against the Ravens last year.

**** him.

[Simply Red]

not sure if it's been mentioned and don't care enough about CEH to read the entire thread - but he put out a tweet that said something indicating possible movement off of the team. It wasn't that 'black and white' but yeah - he said something that'd leave a person feeling like he thought he may get traded etc.

[TribalElder]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

not sure if it's been mentioned and don't care enough about CEH to read the entire thread - but he put out a tweet that said something indicating possible movement off of the team. It wasn't that 'black and white' but yeah - he said something that'd leave a person feeling like he thought he may get traded etc.

Then he tried to say it was rap lyrics

Kmsl , Rough Ryders by NBA Youngboy : Im listening to music fishing, leave me alone ������ https://t.co/Olmp9gpMud

— GLYDE (@Clydro_22) November 1, 2022

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

How long have you been a fan? Since before Mahomes was the QB1 our RBs run routes from every possible position. X, Y, Z, H whatever. This is Andy's offense. How many times did we see Kareem run routes from the X or the Y? Dozens, at least. Probably close to hundreds.

Look, it comes down to flexibility, or in footballspeak, being multiple. RBs in Andy's offense have to be multiple. And have to be able to pass pro. THat's the job in a nutshell.

Rojo isn't multiple, and he doesn't pass pro very well, if you can call what he does in passing downs, pass pro.

CEH will pass pro, so automatically he's up a rung from RoJo in Andy's offense. Nothing to argue about there, period. Gotta protect the half-billion dollar QB.

Then you have to be able to run routes from at least the RB and slot (Y/H) just to stay on the field if Pat decides to go hurry up. That's how half the big plays happen; Pat sees a defense he wants to exploit and goes no huddle, keeping the DC from substituting. Rojo doesn't have that capability. Sod you have to sub him out if he can't do certain things, which allows the DC to sub as well.

The exact opposite of what Andy and Pat want.

Look, don't argue with me, go to RoJo's house and get on his ass for not being able to stay on the field because he won't pass pro.

If he could pass pro and run the plays Pat and Andy want to run in no-huddle, then yeah, let's get him on the field, because empirically he's a better runner than CEH.

But he can't, so Andy won't, so this is a moot discussion, again. Over before it starts.

Yeah CEH runs so many routes and is such a better receiver than RoJo that he averages only 1 more catch per game than him. Either he doesn't run as many routes as you seem to think he does or he's just plain ass at it and doesn't get open or catch balls. Choose one. And our RBs get subbed out a lot even now. I'm confused why you think RoJo playing would mean he wouldn't get subbed out like they already do now.

I don't even get why you brought up Kareem. I've said it a lot on this site that when he left he took the screen playbook with him. Which is why again, CEH runs all his routes out of the backfield and he doesn't run a lot of screens, thus only averaging 1 catch and 8 yards receiving more than RoJo does.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

don't care enough about CEH to read the entire thread

that makes two of us

[KChiefs1]

Didn’t read this thread because I’ve been ready to ship MEH out for awhile & his butthole buddy staylor26.




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