Josh allen (bills)

[Oh Snap]

Has almost 100 rushing yds against the jets and 2 interceptions. Currently down against the jets, but that could change.

Allen reminds me of a prime Cam newton. He's physical and isn't afraid to use his body to take punishment. But I can't help but think he'll have a shorter career like cam as a result of it.

Thoughts? (Slow day waiting for the chiefs)

[JustDíqLix]

“The Allen news shows either that the S.S. McDermott includes some loose-lipped crew members — or that they’ve pulled off the ultimate act of quarterback subterfuge.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...len-will-play/

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

He has 15 INTs/fumbles in 8 games this year and a bunch more going back to mid-last season.

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

[FlaChief58]

Allen is clearly the inferior qb

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Bullshit. From what I'm hearing it's exactly the same. Ask Denver fans if you doubt what i say...

No offense but I don’t take anything you write seriously. You have shown zero ability to be objective about anything.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Razaele

Why does either fan base need to be scared of the other? Sometimes we get them. Sometimes they get us. So far we get them when it matters. Probably won’t always be that way. Seems people are trying to make this more than it is… which is two good teams that are pretty close in quality and have a lot of mutual respect.

Yeah, it's just dumb fan narratives (both "dumb fan" narrative and dumb "fan narrative"). The Bills have done what every other team trying to beat the Chiefs has attempted... pass rushers who can get to Mahomes without needing to blitz, offensive speed and the ability to outscore the Chiefs and do so quickly (as opposed to the antiquated time of possession theory), and of course a franchise QB.

Saying they're scared of the Chiefs is kind of like saying they thought it would be a cakewalk to win Super Bowls, but oh noes, we didn't expect such a challenge!

Everyone involved has been involved in football for decades... yeah, there's pressure to win and of course pressure to beat the Chiefs, but it's not like anyone in either organization was born yesterday.

(and of course, this is also mostly a trolling thread, too)

[Spott]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

No offense but I don’t take anything you write seriously. You have shown zero ability to be objective about anything.

No offense, but nobody here gives a shit what you think. You’re just some dipshit troll that’s too tired of sucking Allen’s dick on your own message board, so now you’re sucking it over here.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

So 15 more turnovers in your cherry-picked timeframe (and doesn't even take into account the recovered fumbles).

And?

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

So 15 more turnovers in your cherry-picked timeframe (and doesn't even take into account the recovered fumbles).

And?

3 years is a pretty long sample size. Do you want to go back to his rookie year just to cherry pick that time frame? No one is arguing Allen was good in his rookie season.

Allen scores more TD’s but he also has more turnovers. That’s who he is. At the end of the day, over a 3 year span, the difference between Allen and Mahomes (statistically speaking) is 5 net TD’s. Over 3 years. That’s a fairly small difference.

Mahomes is better right now (as the +5 TD’s show) and may always be better. I am okay with having the 2nd best QB in the NFL. You can win a lot of games and Super Bowls with the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Mahomes being great doesn’t diminish Allen at all.

You’re just very insecure about Mahomes and Allen.

The recovered fumbles mean very little to me, as a lot of the time that’s Allen diving toward the Pylon or first down marker and fumbling it out of bounds. I care about the ones that are actually turnovers.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

The reason to start the comparison there is so that nobody can talk about MVP's, Play-off wins, SB wins, and SB MVP's. How clever.

[JimNasium]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

The past 3 seasons (start of 2020)…

Josh Allen: 66%, 111 TD’s, 33 INT, 18 lost fumbles
Pat Mahomes: 66%, 101 TD’s, 25 INT, 11 lost fumbles

Allen is +60 in Net TD’s (touchdown minus turnovers). Mahomes is +65 in Net TD’s.

The numbers are as close to equal as you can get.

— Bills Stats & More (@Tickets_Buffalo) November 13, 2022

No mention of their head-to-head playoff record?

[Sofa King]

I wonder what Pat's stats would look like with Allen's defense and vice versa. I'm betting the gap would shock people.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

I wonder what Pat's stats would look like with Allen's defense and vice versa. I'm betting the gap would shock people.

Fo Sho

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by JustRyan

3 years is a pretty long sample size. Do you want to go back to his rookie year just to cherry pick that time frame? No one is arguing Allen was good in his rookie season.

Allen scores more TD’s but he also has more turnovers. That’s who he is. At the end of the day, over a 3 year span, the difference between Allen and Mahomes (statistically speaking) is 5 net TD’s. Over 3 years. That’s a fairly small difference.

Mahomes is better right now (as the +5 TD’s show) and may always be better. I am okay with having the 2nd best QB in the NFL. You can win a lot of games and Super Bowls with the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Mahomes being great doesn’t diminish Allen at all.

You’re just very insecure about Mahomes and Allen.

The recovered fumbles mean very little to me, as a lot of the time that’s Allen diving toward the Pylon or first down marker and fumbling it out of bounds. I care about the ones that are actually turnovers.

I was responding to someone who brought up the INTs/fumbles in Allen's first two seasons, to show that he hasn't exactly cleaned it up in that dept. Within minutes, you arrived to defend his honor by posting irrelevant info, yet I'm the insecure one?


TDs have nothing to do with the topic. Clearly you're just too insecure to say "yes, he fumbles and throws the ball to opponents fairly often."

Also, it's pretty convenient to slice off Allen's worst two years and Mahomes' 50 TD MVP season, while including Mahomes' worst year (a year in which receivers were repeatedly bobbling solid throws into the hands of DBs).

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

The reason to start the comparison there is so that nobody can talk about MVP's, Play-off wins, SB wins, and SB MVP's. How clever.

2020 is when Allen got good. I don’t think there is anyone in the world arguing that 2018 or 2019 Josh Allen is in the same stratosphere as Mahomes.

[JustDíqLix]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

TDs have nothing to do with the topic. Clearly you're just too insecure to say "yes, he fumbles and throws the ball to opponents fairly often."

I actually said that exact thing in the post you quoted.