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Old 11-13-2022, 06:57 PM   #1
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Seems people forget this - he was defenseless
So what are you trying to say here: that any contact in that situation should draw a flag? Are we not playing professional football out there? In slo-mo replay, there's not that much to suggest the guy was trying to injure juju. It looked a lot more like it was incidental. He didn't launch himself, he didn't drive his helmet at JuJu, or a forearm.

At the end of the day, it's still football and football is a violent contact sport. Shit happens sometimes.
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Old 11-13-2022, 07:00 PM   #2
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So what are you trying to say here: that any contact in that situation should draw a flag? Are we not playing professional football out there? In slo-mo replay, there's not that much to suggest the guy was trying to injure juju. It looked a lot more like it was incidental. He didn't launch himself, he didn't drive his helmet at JuJu, or a forearm.

At the end of the day, it's still football and football is a violent contact sport. Shit happens sometimes.
There is no intent required in the rule. Doesn't matter what he was trying to do that's what he did. I'm actually pretty amazed at how many people here will defend what he did when the list of people in the Chiefs organization that feel it was unnecessary includes Big Reg himself. He was about as close to the line as he could get with his displeasure of the "pick up"
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There is no intent required in the rule. Doesn't matter what he was trying to do that's what he did. I'm actually pretty amazed at how many people here will defend what he did when the list of people in the Chiefs organization that feel it was unnecessary includes Big Reg himself. He was about as close to the line as he could get with his displeasure of the "pick up"
More regulation isn't going to make for a better game. It's going to make for more flags, more wasted time, and most importantly it's going to make the game more unwatchable.

Not all that long ago we'd all be shocked that a flag would be thrown in that case. I mean seriously, what the hell is the defender supposed to do, just step out of the way to avoid colliding with the 'defenseless' receiver?

It's football. Players collide violently on crossing routes.
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More regulation isn't going to make for a better game. It's going to make for more flags, more wasted time, and most importantly it's going to make the game more unwatchable.

Not all that long ago we'd all be shocked that a flag would be thrown in that case. I mean seriously, what the hell is the defender supposed to do, just step out of the way to avoid colliding with the 'defenseless' receiver?

It's football. Players collide violently on crossing routes.
What is unwatchable is when players careers are shortened for unnecessary hits. The flag was already thrown - all I'm advocating for is a requirement to actually video review a personal foul penalty. How is getting it right a problem?
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Old 11-13-2022, 07:12 PM   #5
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What is unwatchable is when players careers are shortened for unnecessary hits. The flag was already thrown - all I'm advocating for is a requirement to actually video review a personal foul penalty. How is getting it right a problem?
If the NFL ejected players more often for dirty hits, I definitely wouldn't be opposed to taking it to NY (if they don't already)... just for picking up a flag, not so much.
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So what are you trying to say here: that any contact in that situation should draw a flag? Are we not playing professional football out there? In slo-mo replay, there's not that much to suggest the guy was trying to injure juju. It looked a lot more like it was incidental. He didn't launch himself, he didn't drive his helmet at JuJu, or a forearm.

At the end of the day, it's still football and football is a violent contact sport. Shit happens sometimes.
that collision was shoulder to shoulder then helmet to helmet. The rule states "forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck"

Period end of discussion it was a 15 yard penalty
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that collision was shoulder to shoulder then helmet to helmet. The rule states "forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck"

Period end of discussion it was a 15 yard penalty
HE DIDN'T FORCIBLY HIT JUJU, DIPTSTICK. HE LITERALLY RAN TO AN AREA IN FRONT OF JUJU AND STOPPED, TURNING HIS HEAD AWAY FROM JUJU.

IF THE RULE SAYS "FORCIBLY," THEN THAT PLAY DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA. IT'S ACTUALLY SAFER TO SAY THAT JUJU FORCIBLY HIT THE DEFENDER.
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HE DIDN'T FORCIBLY HIT JUJU, DIPTSTICK. HE LITERALLY RAN TO AN AREA IN FRONT OF JUJU AND STOPPED, TURNING HIS HEAD AWAY FROM JUJU.

IF THE RULE SAYS "FORCIBLY," THEN THAT PLAY DOESN'T MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA. IT'S ACTUALLY SAFER TO SAY THAT JUJU FORCIBLY HIT THE DEFENDER.
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No, I'm fine. you're just incapable of seeing reality. i'll throw you a bone. Maybe you're just near-sighted. Get some glasses.
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No, I'm fine. you're just incapable of seeing reality. i'll throw you a bone. Maybe you're just near-sighted. Get some glasses.
Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
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Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
did you watch the clip above? Who runs into who? Who forcibly crashes into the guy that's literally standing there with both feet flat on the ground? With his head turned away and his hands down around his waist?
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Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
Thank you for your service, btw. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong on this play. But i'd buy you a drink if i ever met you anyway.
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