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Old 11-13-2022, 06:16 PM  
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Random rule change thought
What would my fellow fans of my favorite team, the Kansas City Chiefs, think about a rule change where NY would be required to review any "picking up" of a flag. Obviously they saw something to begin with - think it would be a good idea to require higher level review?

Just thinking....

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Old 11-13-2022, 07:12 PM   #31
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What is unwatchable is when players careers are shortened for unnecessary hits. The flag was already thrown - all I'm advocating for is a requirement to actually video review a personal foul penalty. How is getting it right a problem?
If the NFL ejected players more often for dirty hits, I definitely wouldn't be opposed to taking it to NY (if they don't already)... just for picking up a flag, not so much.
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Old 11-13-2022, 07:13 PM   #32
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Put the drink down and walk away from the keyboard....you're drunk
No, I'm fine. you're just incapable of seeing reality. i'll throw you a bone. Maybe you're just near-sighted. Get some glasses.
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Old 11-13-2022, 07:15 PM   #33
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No, I'm fine. you're just incapable of seeing reality. i'll throw you a bone. Maybe you're just near-sighted. Get some glasses.
Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
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you can't argue for both. The spirit of the rule on defenseless receivers was to prevent concussions as they shorten careers dramatically. He could have gone low...
Not sure I understand "both"... I already said JJSS might be a flag by the letter of the law, but shouldn't be called. I also explained how the NFL tried to defend the letter of the law on the Frank sack, but that also shouldn't have been called.

All I'm saying is if a player breaks a rule, you should be able to point to something and say "don't do this next time".... and I just don't see what you tell that defender, besides "make a split second decision to go low next time", I guess. Just like Frank did nothing wrong on the sack; you can't tell him "don't tackle a QB".

And unlike that other hit, which was far more reckless than either of those plays, yet somehow isn't a penalty.
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Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
did you watch the clip above? Who runs into who? Who forcibly crashes into the guy that's literally standing there with both feet flat on the ground? With his head turned away and his hands down around his waist?
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Right...in all my years of being a LEO I think I kinda have an inside track on how to enforce rule/law. My eyes saw a flagrant penalty - I'm starting to wonder if you are just trolling or truly hold this position...
Thank you for your service, btw. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong on this play. But i'd buy you a drink if i ever met you anyway.
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Not sure I understand "both"... I already said JJSS might be a flag by the letter of the law, but shouldn't be called. I also explained how the NFL tried to defend the letter of the law on the Frank sack, but that also shouldn't have been called.

All I'm saying is if a player breaks a rule, you should be able to point to something and say "don't do this next time".... and I just don't see what you tell that defender, besides "make a split second decision to go low next time", I guess. Just like Frank did nothing wrong on the sack; you can't tell him "don't tackle a QB".

And unlike that other hit, which was far more reckless than either of those plays, yet somehow isn't a penalty.

don't make helmet to helmet contact maybe?
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Thank you for your service, btw. Doesn't change the fact that you're wrong on this play. But i'd buy you a drink if i ever met you anyway.
I'll take you up on that. I'll make a small wager with you that the league fines and/or suspends him for that hit.
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don't make helmet to helmet contact maybe?
I guess, but JJSS also ducks his head into the dude's helmet and I think it's pretty clear on the replay that the defender wasn't targeting helmet to helmet contact.

And going low in that situation could have been bad for JJSS as well, since at that angle and speed you're risking taking him out at the knees.
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did you watch the clip above? Who runs into who? Who forcibly crashes into the guy that's literally standing there with both feet flat on the ground? With his head turned away and his hands down around his waist?



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I guess, but JJSS also ducks his head into the dude's helmet and I think it's pretty clear on the replay that the defender wasn't targeting helmet to helmet contact.

And going low in that situation could have been bad for JJSS as well, since at that angle and speed you're risking taking him out at the knees.
See the screen shots - he sure as hell didn't make any attempt to not hit him with his helmet. Stayed in the same position from frame to frame
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See the screen shots - he sure as hell didn't make any attempt to not hit him with his helmet. Stayed in the same position from frame to frame
Yeah, that's what we've been saying for the past hour... he stands there and braces for impact, as opposed to going all in to destroy JJSS.

The alternatives are to go low and take him out at the knees, make some half-assed arm tackle, or let him run by... and I don't blame him for taking a few steps forward and taking on that collision.

I'm all for taking out the dangerous bullshit that players do, but that play is just football. It's fast and sometimes violent.
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Yeah, that's what we've been saying for the past hour... he stands there and braces for impact, as opposed to going all in to destroy JJSS.

The alternatives are to go low and take him out at the knees, make some half-assed arm tackle, or let him run by... and I don't blame him for taking a few steps forward and taking on that collision.

I'm all for taking out the dangerous bullshit that players do, but that play is just football. It's fast and sometimes violent.
I guess if the object was to have a helmet to helmet collision then he was totally in the right. Idk how you can say he stood there "bracing" for impact when he travelled from the 44 to the 46 yard line....
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I guess if the object was to have a helmet to helmet collision then he was totally in the right. Idk how you can say he stood there "bracing" for impact when he travelled from the 44 to the 46 yard line....
LOL, seems like you're just trying to be argumentative at this point, since you're the one who just said he stayed in position frame to frame.


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the guy took a step or two and it was just as much JJSS "running into him" than it was destroying a defenseless receiver.
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He definitely took at least a few steps to get right into his path, so I'd change what I said a little in terms of "there's nothing the defender could do".
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LOL, seems like you're just trying to be argumentative at this point, since you're the one who just said he stayed in position frame to frame.
he stayed in vertical position not lateral....sorry I thought that was apparent in the picture...also "a step or two" to travel 3 yards would mean he needed to be about 8 feet tall...
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