I'm changing my stripes. I have a new plan for the defensive line.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by poolboy

If we can command attention on the interior of the DL then total speed off the edge would make them pick their poison

What's critical is that it makes them conscious of both in their game-planning.

It's especially troublesome if you have GK and DE2 swapping sides. Now on any given play, the OT will have to recognize that they have to take different sets based on what they're lining up against.

And in game-planning, opposing OCs know they have to be ready for a deeper, faster rush coming from either side on any given playcall.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by poolboy

If we can command attention on the interior of the DL then total speed off the edge would make them pick their poison

It's what makes Philadelphia's defense deadly.

You have Sweat and Reddick both rushing with speed and you have Cox and Hargrave that are both really good at rushing the passer.

[Couch-Potato]

George and Jones are solid, we're only missing a couple of key additions to have a really solid DL. I'd consider squashing the whole issue by picking up 1 quality FA and going DE in 1st and DL in the 2nd, or vice versa, in the draft. Problem is you'd have to be pretty confident in our OTs and WRs to feel comfortable putting that kind of focused resources into the DL.

[kccrow]

I was digging around today at some transactional data from prior drafts out of curiosity to see what it would cost to get into the middle of the 2nd round from the bottom of it. The last two times I see that it happened was in 2020 and 2019.

In 2020, the Seahawks sent #59 and their 3rd (101) to the Jets for #48.
In 2019, the Saints sent #62, their 6th (202) and a 2020 2nd to the Dolphins for #48.

Basically, it's going to cost a 3rd or future 2nd.

And why would I look at this? Because that area seems to be when the last of a tier of pass rushers seem to go and I have a couple guys kind of pegged in that range right now that I feel would be good fits as that speed rusher opposite Karlaftis.

I'm also curious because of the what if scenario of going up and getting a tackle in the 1st. We've seen the move from the end of 1 to 20/21 cost a 3rd and 4th pretty consistently, which may be about as far as a guy like Jaelyn Duncan might fall.

Veach hasn't been ultra-aggressive the past couple of drafts and it's worked to build a core of guys at non-pillar positions. His lone feat of aggressiveness last year was to fill a pillar by going up and getting a CB.

I'm wondering if this is the year to really make some moves to try to go get a couple more. A future 2 and 4th to get up in 1 for a LT? A 3rd to get up in 2 for a DE?

It may be time.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I was digging around today at some transactional data from prior drafts out of curiosity to see what it would cost to get into the middle of the 2nd round from the bottom of it. The last two times I see that it happened was in 2020 and 2019.

In 2020, the Seahawks sent #59 and their 3rd (101) to the Jets for #48.
In 2019, the Saints sent #62, their 6th (202) and a 2020 2nd to the Dolphins for #48.

Basically, it's going to cost a 3rd or future 2nd.

And why would I look at this? Because that area seems to be when the last of a tier of pass rushers seem to go and I have a couple guys kind of pegged in that range right now that I feel would be good fits as that speed rusher opposite Karlaftis.

I'm also curious because of the what if scenario of going up and getting a tackle in the 1st. We've seen the move from the end of 1 to 20/21 cost a 3rd and 4th pretty consistently, which may be about as far as a guy like Jaelyn Duncan might fall.

Veach hasn't been ultra-aggressive the past couple of drafts and it's worked to build a core of guys at non-pillar positions. His lone feat of aggressiveness last year was to fill a pillar by going up and getting a CB.

I'm wondering if this is the year to really make some moves to try to go get a couple more. A future 2 and 4th to get up in 1 for a LT? A 3rd to get up in 2 for a DE?

It may be time.

Yeah. Draft stock on the T is just so all over the place.

Draft Huddle has Duncan in the top 20 (and has some guys I think we see in the top 15 in the 25-50 range, like Quentin Johnson). They also slot Broderick Jones at G and in the mid-20s. I've seen some that don't even have Duncan in the top 50. Just a weird year for T, but maybe that works to KC's favor.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah. Draft stock on the T is just so all over the place.

Draft Huddle has Duncan in the top 20 (and has some guys I think we see in the top 15 in the 25-50 range, like Quentin Johnson). They also slot Broderick Jones at G and in the mid-20s. I've seen some that don't even have Duncan in the top 50. Just a weird year for T, but maybe that works to KC's favor.

Honestly think you might get a decent DE or OT at the end of the 1st. Basically sit there and take BPA at those positions and then trade up in the 2nd to get the other. I'm probably more inclined to sit and wait and just play it by numbers because i still think we need picks for a DT and safety and probably a WR

[JPH83]

Aside from Omenihu I really wouldn't mind Okoronkwo. Very limited usage but an effective rusher and not an obvious liability against the run. I don't reckon he'll break the bank and you could probably pair with one of the DT FAs that have been mentioned for a reasonable outlay.

[O.city]

The few times I watched Duncan, I didn't come away impressed. Maybe I just caught the bad games?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

The few times I watched Duncan, I didn't come away impressed. Maybe I just caught the bad games?

I don't know but here's my take: I'm an Ohio State fan and I'd take Duncan over Paris Johnson who keeps getting top-10 grades everywhere I look. I just don't think Johnson has the foot speed to be an elite LT. I was really ****ing high on Christian Darrisaw when he came out and I see a lot of similarities with Duncan.

If someone is rating Duncan outside the 1st round, they're probably smoking something or haven't updated their rankings in a long time.

[kcbubb]

I haven’t watch games but in these clips, Paris’s feet look quick. And with 36” arms. This kid looks to have a huge upside with more coaching.

https://youtu.be/uxuZpoxvC40