I'm changing my stripes. I have a new plan for the defensive line.

[Chris Meck]

I say we keep Jonesy, and we load up on DT.

Give me D'aron Payne. Then bring back Saunders and Williams for run downs.

Give me a Smoot, and maybe a Clelin Ferrell reclamation project.

Let's crush the pocket from the middle out.

I'm watching Burrow, and Brady, and the games yesterday, and...man, guys get the ball out QUICK except for Mahomes. Your ends just aren't going to get there fast enough unless you have truly elite speed rushers.

But if you had Payne and Jones; you can't double them both. One of them is getting a one on one and will be in the QB's face immediately.

Then you can go with bigger power rushers outside for containment.

Maybe this is the way.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Are we even sure that Spags gives a shit about a DE with speed at this point?

When they beat the unbeatable undefeated Patriots, he had Osi Umenyiora. He was a speed guy. And peak Strahan, who was the long, tall, DE we usually see in his defense.

I really think it's been a question of what's been available to them.

[kccrow]

I was digging around today at some transactional data from prior drafts out of curiosity to see what it would cost to get into the middle of the 2nd round from the bottom of it. The last two times I see that it happened was in 2020 and 2019.

In 2020, the Seahawks sent #59 and their 3rd (101) to the Jets for #48.
In 2019, the Saints sent #62, their 6th (202) and a 2020 2nd to the Dolphins for #48.

Basically, it's going to cost a 3rd or future 2nd.

And why would I look at this? Because that area seems to be when the last of a tier of pass rushers seem to go and I have a couple guys kind of pegged in that range right now that I feel would be good fits as that speed rusher opposite Karlaftis.

I'm also curious because of the what if scenario of going up and getting a tackle in the 1st. We've seen the move from the end of 1 to 20/21 cost a 3rd and 4th pretty consistently, which may be about as far as a guy like Jaelyn Duncan might fall.

Veach hasn't been ultra-aggressive the past couple of drafts and it's worked to build a core of guys at non-pillar positions. His lone feat of aggressiveness last year was to fill a pillar by going up and getting a CB.

I'm wondering if this is the year to really make some moves to try to go get a couple more. A future 2 and 4th to get up in 1 for a LT? A 3rd to get up in 2 for a DE?

It may be time.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I was digging around today at some transactional data from prior drafts out of curiosity to see what it would cost to get into the middle of the 2nd round from the bottom of it. The last two times I see that it happened was in 2020 and 2019.

In 2020, the Seahawks sent #59 and their 3rd (101) to the Jets for #48.
In 2019, the Saints sent #62, their 6th (202) and a 2020 2nd to the Dolphins for #48.

Basically, it's going to cost a 3rd or future 2nd.

And why would I look at this? Because that area seems to be when the last of a tier of pass rushers seem to go and I have a couple guys kind of pegged in that range right now that I feel would be good fits as that speed rusher opposite Karlaftis.

I'm also curious because of the what if scenario of going up and getting a tackle in the 1st. We've seen the move from the end of 1 to 20/21 cost a 3rd and 4th pretty consistently, which may be about as far as a guy like Jaelyn Duncan might fall.

Veach hasn't been ultra-aggressive the past couple of drafts and it's worked to build a core of guys at non-pillar positions. His lone feat of aggressiveness last year was to fill a pillar by going up and getting a CB.

I'm wondering if this is the year to really make some moves to try to go get a couple more. A future 2 and 4th to get up in 1 for a LT? A 3rd to get up in 2 for a DE?

It may be time.

Yeah. Draft stock on the T is just so all over the place.

Draft Huddle has Duncan in the top 20 (and has some guys I think we see in the top 15 in the 25-50 range, like Quentin Johnson). They also slot Broderick Jones at G and in the mid-20s. I've seen some that don't even have Duncan in the top 50. Just a weird year for T, but maybe that works to KC's favor.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

When they beat the unbeatable undefeated Patriots, he had Osi Umenyiora. He was a speed guy. And peak Strahan, who was the long, tall, DE we usually see in his defense.

I really think it's been a question of what's been available to them.

Man I'm so glad you mentioned this as it popped into my head the other day and has been bugging me. Did Spags somehow miss the benefit of a speed guy or does he really not give 2 s***s. It sounds like he kinda does has a type but he doesn't fix to it rigidly.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah. Draft stock on the T is just so all over the place.

Draft Huddle has Duncan in the top 20 (and has some guys I think we see in the top 15 in the 25-50 range, like Quentin Johnson). They also slot Broderick Jones at G and in the mid-20s. I've seen some that don't even have Duncan in the top 50. Just a weird year for T, but maybe that works to KC's favor.

Honestly think you might get a decent DE or OT at the end of the 1st. Basically sit there and take BPA at those positions and then trade up in the 2nd to get the other. I'm probably more inclined to sit and wait and just play it by numbers because i still think we need picks for a DT and safety and probably a WR

[JPH83]

Aside from Omenihu I really wouldn't mind Okoronkwo. Very limited usage but an effective rusher and not an obvious liability against the run. I don't reckon he'll break the bank and you could probably pair with one of the DT FAs that have been mentioned for a reasonable outlay.

[O.city]

The few times I watched Duncan, I didn't come away impressed. Maybe I just caught the bad games?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

The few times I watched Duncan, I didn't come away impressed. Maybe I just caught the bad games?

I don't know but here's my take: I'm an Ohio State fan and I'd take Duncan over Paris Johnson who keeps getting top-10 grades everywhere I look. I just don't think Johnson has the foot speed to be an elite LT. I was really ****ing high on Christian Darrisaw when he came out and I see a lot of similarities with Duncan.

If someone is rating Duncan outside the 1st round, they're probably smoking something or haven't updated their rankings in a long time.

[kcbubb]

I haven’t watch games but in these clips, Paris’s feet look quick. And with 36” arms. This kid looks to have a huge upside with more coaching.

https://youtu.be/uxuZpoxvC40

[Palangi]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Da'Ron Payne is going to get the franchise tag, there's no doubt about it. I'm not trading two 1sts for it.

You might be able to get Dre'Mont Jones, although he isn't quite the pocket crusher Payne is and then you have the issue of him actually functioning as a NT when they do run the ball because he's only 285 pounds. That said, it's a passing league, so take your lumps on the ground but I don't think you take your lumps to the point can be detrimental because teams won't stop running it down your throat.

Maybe you look very seriously at a guy like Gervon Dexter, who I think has the potential to develop into a guy, earlier than you normally would in the Draft. Or a Jaquelin Roy if he declares.

As for ends, I think speed is the key on the edge. Crush the inside with good DTs then eliminate rolling out with as much speed as you can get on the outside. It's why I'm a big fan of Felix Anudike-Uzomah and Will McDonald.

Maybe not? They did draft Phidarien Mathis and John Ridgeway last year. Two big physical DTs.