The future is hard to believe. - Page 5

Direckshun · 10-23-2022, 08:44 PM

Look at this roster for 2023. It's ****ing madness.

QB: Mahomes, Buechele (RFA)
RB: Pacheco, McKinnon (easy re-sign), Edwards-Helaire
FB: Burton (easy re-sign)

WR: Valdez-Scantling, Moore, Watson (easy re-sign), Ross
TE: Kelce, Gray, Fortson (RFA)

LT: ???, Wanogho (RFA)
LG: Thuney, Wylie (easy re-sign)
C: Humphrey
RG: Smith, Wylie (easy re-sign)
RT: Niang, Wanogho (RFA)

DE: Danna, Kaindoh
DT: Jones, Wharton (RFA)
DT: ???
DE: Karlaftis,

WLB: Gay
MLB: Bolton, Chenal
SLB: Chenal, Cochrane (RFA)

CB: Sneed, McDuffie, Watson, Williams, Johnson
S: Reid, Cook, Bush (easy re-sign)

K: Butker
P: Townsend (RFA)
LS: Winchester

2023 Cap space: $45m with a Frank Clark cut, and even more with a Mahomes re-structure
2023 Draft picks: 12: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (Poles), 4th, 4th (Hill), 5th, 6th, 6th (Hill), 6th (Ingram), 7th, 7th (Reed)

Key FA decisions to make:

LT Orlando Brown, Jr.: will he bring his price down?, will they franchise him again? might they actually tag-and-trade?
FS Juan Thornhill: a talented, sub-Pro Bowl player; obvious re-sign
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster: seems like an obvious re-sign, price shouldn't be too bad
WR Mecole Hardman: he either signs a one-year prove-it or he walks
DT Khalen Saunders: he either signs a one-year prove-it or he walks
RB Jerick McKinnon: a must re-sign and should be cheap

They make a splash somewhere at DL in free agency. I think the Chiefs make the deals with Thornhill and JuJu. The Chiefs likely burn a 1st round pick (and goodies for a trade-up) to help fix the tackle situation if they need a LT, or they spend that 1st on the best DL they can get their mitts on if Brown comes to his senses and burns a 2nd day pick on RT.

They will draft a WR high, they may sniff out a top-end talent at RB somewhere for a steal, and then they just add depth in the trenches.

This team may win a Super Bowl this year. They shed Tyreek Hill, the best WR in the NFL, and still got better on offense. And they're going to have ungodly cap space, a dozen picks to stock this roster.

It's going to be absolutely disgusting how good this team is going to be next year, and for the foreseeable future. The Chiefs are in transition this year and still may win it all. If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl this year, we may legit be talking threepeat.

They're going to be that good.

Dull Tools · 11-23-2022, 09:02 AM

If we don't keep Frank Clark, does anyone think we could get a draft pick for him in a trade even if it is a late round pick?

I would keep Juju as long as it isn't ridiculous money.

duncan_idaho · 11-23-2022, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dull Tools

If we don't keep Frank Clark, does anyone think we could get a draft pick for him in a trade even if it is a late round pick?

I would keep Juju as long as it isn't ridiculous money.

Absolutely no way.

Direckshun · 11-23-2022, 10:16 PM

I don’t think a team wants to trade for Frank Clark.

If he continues performing well, some shit team with no passrush will pay him like $3m next year in August to play a rotational role.

Couch-Potato · 11-26-2022, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don’t think a team wants to trade for Frank Clark.

If he continues performing well, some shit team with no passrush will pay him like $3m next year in August to play a rotational role.

Yeah, us.

Chris Meck · 11-26-2022, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I don’t think a team wants to trade for Frank Clark.

If he continues performing well, some shit team with no passrush will pay him like $3m next year in August to play a rotational role.

Sure, I'd do that. I'd pay him $3m base, and a $10m bonus if he hits double digit sacks.

On the off chance he made it, the $10m goes on the next year's cap I believe (but he won't.)

But he'd have good reason to be super motivated every week.

**The Franchise** · 11-26-2022, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Sure, I'd do that. I'd pay him $3m base, and a $10m bonus if he hits double digit sacks.

On the off chance he made it, the $10m goes on the next year's cap I believe (but he won't.)

But he'd have good reason to be super motivated every week.

Nope. He can get the **** off this team.

Direckshun · 11-28-2022, 10:06 AM

I do think his time in KC is over, no matter what. He's just too toxic and the on field production is too inconsistent.

That being said... he does bring elements we're going to miss. He's still somewhat a leader in the locker room. He's disciplined in his cutback responsibilities, does a good job setting the edge, has registered a ton of pressures this season, and that play he made against the Rams, where he submarined two separate pulling offensive linemen... I mean no other DE on this team could make that play. That was 2019 Frank Clark, right there, just an unbelievable play.

His time in KC is over, but that doesn't mean we won't miss some of the stuff he does. The best solution to that is for Veach to actually upgrade the DE position. I think it means being aggressive in the 1st round to move up and get the guy you need.

I think Karlaftis is just some technique work away from being a 10-sack guy. Danna has been solid in a rotational role.

And I think this team needs to have a conversation about Carlos Dunlap that they didn't think they'd be having earlier in the season. Dunlap is starting to feel necessary for 2023.

Couch-Potato · 12-26-2022, 08:32 AM

2023 Cap space:
$45m with a Frank Clark cut
+Chris Jones Extension
+Mahomes re-structure

How much money cap room have I made?

LT Orlando Brown, Jr: Tag him
FS Juan Thornhill: Resign
WR JuJu Smith-Schuster: Resign
WR Mecole Hardman: Walks
WR MVS: Walks
DT Khalen Saunders: Resign
RB Jerick McKinnon: Resign

How much money cap room have I spent?

O.city · 12-26-2022, 09:49 AM

Thornhill die was cast when they drafted cook in the 2nd round

RunKC · 12-26-2022, 10:02 AM

I don’t think they can afford to lose both MVS and Hardman. They’ll likely keep MVS since Hardman is priced out.

I see a lot of effort that’s gonna go into DL and another speed receiver that plays ST’s

O.city · 12-26-2022, 11:04 AM

Wr in round 1 wouldn’t be out of the question

kcbubb · 12-26-2022, 11:31 AM

Wouldn’t this be the ideal time to take a LT in the 1st and let him play RT for year 1 and transition him to LT next year? With OBJ on the tag?

Kiimo · 12-29-2022, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Wr in round 1 wouldn’t be out of the question

Jalin Hyatt

Man would I LOVE him on the Chiefs

If Jalin Hyatt blows the door off the combine with his 40 time he may not even make it to the back half of Rd1… but if he does he should 1000% be on the #Bills radar.

Same system that produced Gabriel Davis.

NFL Comp: Healthy Will Fuller. pic.twitter.com/BdA9QczeiF
— Air Raid | Buffalo (@TheBillsGuys) December 19, 2022

Jalin Hyatt will eat up any cushion you give him pic.twitter.com/szF8FmQNgB
— Tyler Browning (@DiabeticTyler) December 19, 2022

One of the knocks I saw on Hyatt all year was that there’s not a lot of tape on how good of a route runner he is or can he win a contested ball because he hasn’t really had to. He just blows by everyone

It's like the anti-Drake London.

kcbubb · 12-30-2022, 10:13 AM

Hmm…. Is he faster than mvs? Physically, he looks similar to mvs?

Couch-Potato · 12-30-2022, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Jalin Hyatt

Man would I LOVE him on the Chiefs

If Jalin Hyatt blows the door off the combine with his 40 time he may not even make it to the back half of Rd1… but if he does he should 1000% be on the #Bills radar.

Same system that produced Gabriel Davis.

NFL Comp: Healthy Will Fuller. pic.twitter.com/BdA9QczeiF
— Air Raid | Buffalo (@TheBillsGuys) December 19, 2022

Jalin Hyatt will eat up any cushion you give him pic.twitter.com/szF8FmQNgB
— Tyler Browning (@DiabeticTyler) December 19, 2022

One of the knocks I saw on Hyatt all year was that there’s not a lot of tape on how good of a route runner he is or can he win a contested ball because he hasn’t really had to. He just blows by everyone

It's like the anti-Drake London.

Yup, he's my #1 guy but I have zero hope we can get him.

10-23-2022, 08:44 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	The future is hard to believe. Look at this roster for 2023. It's **ing madness. QB: Mahomes, Buechele (RFA) RB: Pacheco, McKinnon (easy re-sign), Edwards-Helaire FB: Burton (easy re-sign) WR: Valdez-Scantling, Moore, Watson (easy re-sign), Ross TE: Kelce, Gray, Fortson (RFA) LT: ???, Wanogho (RFA) LG: Thuney, Wylie (easy re-sign) C: Humphrey RG: Smith, Wylie (easy re-sign) RT: Niang, Wanogho (RFA) DE: Danna, Kaindoh DT: Jones, Wharton (RFA) DT: ??? DE: Karlaftis, WLB: Gay MLB: Bolton, Chenal SLB: Chenal, Cochrane (RFA) CB: Sneed, McDuffie, Watson, Williams, Johnson S: Reid, Cook, Bush (easy re-sign) K: Butker P: Townsend (RFA) LS: Winchester 2023 Cap space: $45m with a Frank Clark cut, and even more with a Mahomes re-structure 2023 Draft picks:** 12: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd (Poles), 4th, 4th (Hill), 5th, 6th, 6th (Hill), 6th (Ingram), 7th, 7th (Reed) Key FA decisions to make: LT Orlando Brown, Jr.: will he bring his price down?, will they franchise him again? might they actually tag-and-trade? FS Juan Thornhill: a talented, sub-Pro Bowl player; obvious re-sign WR JuJu Smith-Schuster: seems like an obvious re-sign, price shouldn't be too bad WR Mecole Hardman: he either signs a one-year prove-it or he walks DT Khalen Saunders: he either signs a one-year prove-it or he walks RB Jerick McKinnon: a must re-sign and should be cheap They make a splash somewhere at DL in free agency. I think the Chiefs make the deals with Thornhill and JuJu. The Chiefs likely burn a 1st round pick (and goodies for a trade-up) to help fix the tackle situation if they need a LT, or they spend that 1st on the best DL they can get their mitts on if Brown comes to his senses and burns a 2nd day pick on RT. They will draft a WR high, they may sniff out a top-end talent at RB somewhere for a steal, and then they just add depth in the trenches. This team may win a Super Bowl this year. They shed Tyreek Hill, the best WR in the NFL, and still got better on offense. And they're going to have ungodly cap space, a dozen picks to stock this roster. It's going to be absolutely disgusting how good this team is going to be next year, and for the foreseeable future. The Chiefs are in transition this year and still may win it all. If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl this year, we may legit be talking threepeat. They're going to be that good.
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11-23-2022, 09:02 AM	#61
Dull Tools Starter Join Date: Jan 2021 Casino cash: $8620400	If we don't keep Frank Clark, does anyone think we could get a draft pick for him in a trade even if it is a late round pick? I would keep Juju as long as it isn't ridiculous money.
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11-23-2022, 10:16 PM	#63
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I don’t think a team wants to trade for Frank Clark. If he continues performing well, some shit team with no passrush will pay him like $3m next year in August to play a rotational role.
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11-28-2022, 10:06 AM	#67
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I do think his time in KC is over, no matter what. He's just too toxic and the on field production is too inconsistent. That being said... he does bring elements we're going to miss. He's still somewhat a leader in the locker room. He's disciplined in his cutback responsibilities, does a good job setting the edge, has registered a ton of pressures this season, and that play he made against the Rams, where he submarined two separate pulling offensive linemen... I mean no other DE on this team could make that play. That was 2019 Frank Clark, right there, just an unbelievable play. His time in KC is over, but that doesn't mean we won't miss some of the stuff he does. The best solution to that is for Veach to actually upgrade the DE position. I think it means being aggressive in the 1st round to move up and get the guy you need. I think Karlaftis is just some technique work away from being a 10-sack guy. Danna has been solid in a rotational role. And I think this team needs to have a conversation about Carlos Dunlap that they didn't think they'd be having earlier in the season. Dunlap is starting to feel necessary for 2023.
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12-26-2022, 08:32 AM	#68
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $163065	2023 Cap space: $45m with a Frank Clark cut +Chris Jones Extension +Mahomes re-structure How much money cap room have I made? LT Orlando Brown, Jr: Tag him FS Juan Thornhill: Resign WR JuJu Smith-Schuster: Resign WR Mecole Hardman: Walks WR MVS: Walks DT Khalen Saunders: Resign RB Jerick McKinnon: Resign How much money cap room have I spent? Last edited by Couch-Potato; 12-26-2022 at 10:02 AM..
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12-26-2022, 09:49 AM	#69
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kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5006719	Hmm…. Is he faster than mvs? Physically, he looks similar to mvs?
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