The 14-win club

[Hammock Parties]

If the Chiefs beat the Broncos and Raiders, they will join this list of teams who won 14 or more regular season games in two out of three seasons.

89/90 49ers
03/04 Patriots
85/86 Bears

20/21/22 Chiefs

Dynasty in the making!

[scho63]

While winning 14 games is impressive for sure, the NFL going from 14 to 16 to 17 makes old stats obsolete against new stats.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by scho63

While winning 14 games is impressive for sure, the NFL going from 14 to 16 to 17 makes old stats obsolete against new stats.

Agree completely which is why I think an asterisk next to any stat is silly.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Ok. Now when do we start acknowledging 17 game stats? 17 game seasons are not going away. When is the cutoff? Also the rules have been skewed to favor offenses, do we now asterisk any records created during that time?

Everyone with half a moving brain cell, knowing football history mentally asterisks a lot of this shit.

This ain't the same league in which every Chiefs fan was holding their breath as a 36 year old Joe Montana was knocked to the turf wondering if he was gonna get up.

You got a 45 year old qb playing now, that it's virtually illegal to touch him.

Sending a receiver over the middle might as well have been a death sentence against some secondaries.

So yes, everyone that knows anything about football as it was, and how it is now, knows why these insane numbers are being put up.

For Christ's sake, the Chiefs turned the football over 5 times in a playoff game and held the Colts to 10 points for the game.

Turn the football over 5 times today. Best defense in the league ain't holding them to 10.

[scho63]

I forgot we turned the ball over 5 times in that Colts game. Really crazy they only scored 10.

Not sure anyone else can claim that stat.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Everyone with half a moving brain cell, knowing football history mentally asterisks a lot of this shit.

This ain't the same league in which every Chiefs fan was holding their breath as a 36 year old Joe Montana was knocked to the turf wondering if he was gonna get up.

You got a 45 year old qb playing now, that it's virtually illegal to touch him.

Sending a receiver over the middle might as well have been a death sentence against some secondaries.

So yes, everyone that knows anything about football as it was, and how it is now, knows why these insane numbers are being put up.

For Christ's sake, the Chiefs turned the football over 5 times in a playoff game and held the Colts to 10 points for the game.

Turn the football over 5 times today. Best defense in the league ain't holding them to 10.

Don’t disagree with anything you said which is why I think saying stats now should have an asterisk because of a 17th game are silly.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by scho63

I forgot we turned the ball over 5 times in that Colts game. Really crazy they only scored 10.

Not sure anyone else can claim that stat.

Me too. I only remember the three Bono interceptions. Who fumbled twice?

[MahomesIsTheMVP]

Originally Posted by scho63

While winning 14 games is impressive for sure, the NFL going from 14 to 16 to 17 makes old stats obsolete against new stats.

Just wait a few years when they go to an 18 game schedule where it might stay for a very long time. I think the exhibition season will be two games. We are finding out training camp and exhibition games don’t mean much anymore. The NFL will convert one exhibition game for another regular season game which is good for everyone. Season ticket holders will get a better deal that way too. This will allow for more international games which the NFL loves.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

Me too. I only remember the three Bono interceptions. Who fumbled twice?

Vanover on special teams I think was the fumble.

The 4th pick I could be thinking they called incomplete before half, but if they had replay that was the 4th int.

So maybe it was only 4. Christ it was so bad it seems like 5.

Still 4/5 turnovers and only surrendering 10, never happen today.

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Don’t disagree with anything you said which is why I think saying stats now should have an asterisk because of a 17th game are silly.

Because an extra game of super easy offensive stats means quite a bit.

If Mahomes breaks Mannings yards in a season in 17 games, when Manning did it in 16, it matters. It doesn't mean as much if he needed an extra game to do it.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Because an extra game of super easy offensive stats means quite a bit.

If Mahomes breaks Mannings yards in a season in 17 games, when Manning did it in 16, it matters. It doesn't mean as much if he needed an extra game to do it.

But the point is that even if Manning did it in 16 games when it was easy to play offense, shouldn’t that have an asterisk? I mean it would have been easier to move the ball vs say when Marino played even though both played 16 games? The point is that times change and to discredit an achievement or put an asterisk next to it because it doesn’t line up with a preconceived definition of what is an acceptable criteria is silly.

[KCUnited]

Misread as the 14-inch club and wondered why it needed its own thread

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by tredadda

But the point is that even if Manning did it in 16 games when it was easy to play offense, shouldn’t that have an asterisk? I mean it would have been easier to move the ball vs say when Marino played even though both played 16 games? The point is that times change and to discredit an achievement or put an asterisk next to it because it doesn’t line up with a preconceived definition of what is an acceptable criteria is silly.

If it needs an asterisk, then Mahomes gets 2 asterisks, because it will have taken him 17 games to break a record set in 16 games.

It's like TJ Watt tying the sack record in the 17th game.

For a long time, all of these records are going to gave the spectre of a 16 game benchmark looming over it.

Oh you got 23 sacks in 17 games? Do it in 16.

You beat Mannings passing yards in 17 games? He set the record in 16 games.

The extra game is a massive advantage that will lead to record books being rewritten.

The record will become a statistic that's meaning is found in the eye of the beholder.

Some will chest pound and cheer the record holder, and others will be unimpressed if it took the extra game to do it.

It'll just be numbers that nobody really gives a shit about anymore.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

If it needs an asterisk, then Mahomes gets 2 asterisks, because it will have taken him 17 games to break a record set in 16 games.

It's like TJ Watt tying the sack record in the 17th game.

For a long time, all of these records are going to gave the spectre of a 16 game benchmark looming over it.

Oh you got 23 sacks in 17 games? Do it in 16.

You beat Mannings passing yards in 17 games? He set the record in 16 games.

The extra game is a massive advantage that will lead to record books being rewritten.

The record will become a statistic that's meaning is found in the eye of the beholder.

Some will chest pound and cheer the record holder, and others will be unimpressed if it took the extra game to do it.

It'll just be numbers that nobody really gives a shit about anymore.

Fair enough.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by tredadda

It’s going to come down to how well your team drafts now that they are not getting Top 10 picks anymore. The key to winning with a franchise QB on contract #2 or later is to surround him with cheap, talented players and more often than not you do that in the draft. It’s very easy to look like a genius when you draft high, it’s much harder when you draft later in each round. Players like Burrow and Chase are long gone by then.

True and they did a good job in year one of drafting late.

rd1- Dax Hill S. Flashed a few times in PS, hasn't played a lot of downs due to Bell and Bates hogging all the snaps. (wait and see)

rd2- Cam Taylor-Brit CB. Starting due to injury. Hit's like a truck and shows flashes of being a good cover corner. (solid)

rd3- Zac Carter DT. Not many snaps. Low in dline rotation. (wait and see)

rd4- Cordell Volson OG. Starting LG and improves every week. Started off slow getting mauled by a couple big uglies but has settled down and will be at worst, an average starting OG. (starter)

[Hammock Parties]

lmao Cam Taylor Britt is burnt toast...allowed 450 yards and 3 TD in only 8 games

he's lucky the bengals play the scheme they do to hide him...if the chiefs play the bengals again they're going to get him

bengals fans massively overrate their defensive talent....chiefs were a fumble and missed FG away from putting up 34