Chiefs A Levelheaded Review Wk17 - Page 6

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 03:08 PM

1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house.

2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain.

3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic.

4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D.

5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock.

6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay.

7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier.

8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit.

9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today.

10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.

OKchiefs · 01-01-2023, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, what exactly should Toub have coached there? "Kick it 3 inches higher?"

I wouldn’t blame that single mistake on him. But overall, the special teams have been atrocious all year and have strongly contributed to our losses. With as many mistakes that have been made non-stop all season that has to be attributed to a failure in coaching.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

I wouldn’t blame that single mistake on him. But overall, the special teams have been atrocious all year and have strongly contributed to our losses. With as many mistakes that have been made non-stop all season that has to be attributed to a failure in coaching.

9 new players on ST this season. Most in Toub's tenure, so 22 years?

Really, the only ST vets are Winchester, Townsend and Butker, according to the depth chart. Everyone else is new/rookie. Winchester has been about normal, but one of his snaps today was a worm-burner. Townsend muffed the hold on one. Last one the DEN player was just too tall. If his mother had conceived him with a shorter man, we're not having any conversation about that last FG attempt.

As for the season, well, if we're honest at all, everyone has a down year. This season is not indicative of Toub's career by a wide stretch.

But CP's gotta find something to bitch about, i get it.

Carry on.

Chris Meck · 01-01-2023, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

9 new players on ST this season. Most in Toub's tenure, so 22 years?

Really, the only ST vets are Winchester, Townsend and Butker, according to the depth chart. Everyone else is new/rookie. Winchester has been about normal, but one of his snaps today was a worm-burner. Townsend muffed the hold on one. Last one the DEN player was just too tall. If his mother had conceived him with a shorter man, we're not having any conversation about that last FG attempt.

As for the season, well, if we're honest at all, everyone has a down year. This season is not indicative of Toub's career by a wide stretch.

But CP's gotta find something to bitch about, i get it.

Carry on.

I chalk up A LOT of this year's issues to two things:

1)growing pains with a very young roster, especially defense

and

2) fatigue.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-01-2023, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You don't really have a choice.

We had Tyreek Hill, the deep threat of all deep threats and defenses just sat back in deep zones and made him a possession receiver.
Juju has a higher ypc this season than Hill had last year.

It's not like we just decided to be a ball control passing attack, it was and is an adjustment to how the NFL was defending us.

That's not going to change.

And the outlet pass to the back is STILL there all day long, we just don't always take it.

The other guys get paid too, ya know.

It was the right adjustment. But it’s too extreme of an adjustment. We’ve gotta be somewhere in between. Mahomes is too good of a qb to ask him to be Alex smith. Toney isn’t even elite but he continues to show that we can still be aggressive with the pass with a WR capable of doing it.

Today is a great example. Mahomes wasn’t at his best. But our WRs continue to kill drives. If you want efficiency we can’t have WRs who are so mistake prone or who need perfect passes. Every missed play is magnified in an efficient offense.

I 100% get and approve of us rebuilding and that we’re not gonna have answers this year. Our strategy makes sense for what we have and its plenty good. But we can’t rely exclusively on efficiency and owning no part of the intermediate sidelines.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 06:58 PM

Just FYI: MVS was 2-for-7 today, receptions vs. targets. 28.5%.

Chris Meck · 01-01-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It was the right adjustment. But it’s too extreme of an adjustment. We’ve gotta be somewhere in between. Mahomes is too good of a qb to ask him to be Alex smith. Toney isn’t even elite but he continues to show that we can still be aggressive with the pass with a WR capable of doing it.

Today is a great example. Mahomes wasn’t at his best. But our WRs continue to kill drives. If you want efficiency we can’t have WRs who are so mistake prone or who need perfect passes. Every missed play is magnified in an efficient offense.

I 100% get and approve of us rebuilding and that we’re not gonna have answers this year. Our strategy makes sense for what we have and its plenty good. But we can’t rely exclusively on efficiency and owning no part of the intermediate sidelines.

Man, I don't agree with your assessment at all.

most of the INT's are precisely because Mahomes ISN'T always taking what's there and forcing it downfield.

Trying to force the ball downfield when the defense is specifically built to beat that is just madness, Mahomes or no.

It's still football. Even when you have the best QB in the sport, it's still football.

Run the ball and take the short stuff and get them out of the light boxes and dropping 7 and the deep shots will be there.

It's still football.

tmax63 · 01-01-2023, 07:22 PM

15 rushes won't cut it. It won't keep the defense honest. I don't know if they need to make PM do more rushes in the RPO game but the lack of a run game today really showed up.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tmax63

15 rushes won't cut it. It won't keep the defense honest. I don't know if they need to make PM do more rushes in the RPO game but the lack of a run game today really showed up.

12. Subtract out Pat's scrambles, because none of those wre designed runs, and we ran the ball 12 times.

**srvy** · 01-01-2023, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Lol, what exactly should Toub have coached there? "Kick it 3 inches higher?"

The guy who blocked it was untouched stepped into a gap jumped unhindered and got a hand on it.

Maybe work on FG protections.

Megatron96 · 01-01-2023, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

The guy who blocked it was untouched stepped into a gap jumped unhindered and got a hand on it.

Maybe work on FG protections.

Ah, so Toub hasn't been coaching the protections, got it. So, by that reckoning, the Chiefs have had at least 10 FG/XP attempts blocked this season? how about just in the last 5 years?

Since neither is the case, is it possible, even remotely, that someone just made a mistake/DEN just made a play?

Nah, gotta be Toub hasn't been coaching protections ever in 22 years, right?

**HemiEd** · 01-01-2023, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tmax63

There was an obvious no-call DPI the play before PMII's interception. I wondered if the OPI on Sutton was a make-up.

Yes, that was huge. I was ****ing screaming at the tv

suzzer99 · 01-01-2023, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrunkBassGuitar

that hands to face was super ticky tack. they showed it for a second and it looked like incidental contact but maybe I missed something there

Yeah that's the stuff I feel like happens on almost every play.

RaidersOftheCellar · 01-01-2023, 11:04 PM

To me, the story of the game was Toney. He led the team in receiving and I think that could become a somewhat regular occurrence if he stays healthy. He’s going to be a big part of the playoff run.

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2023, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

To me, the story of the game was Toney. He led the team in receiving and I think that could become a somewhat regular occurrence if he stays healthy. He’s going to be a big part of the playoff run.

both routes he ran were tyreek specials

**Buehler445** · 01-01-2023, 11:25 PM

Good read DC, Thanks.

I thought the officiating was ultimately fair. The hands to the face was weak, but so was the OPI that helped us out. that's really all I had a ton of trouble with. I'd sure as **** take that crew of Cheffers or Clete god ****ing Blakeman. God I hate ****ing dogshit officials.

STs is ****ing frustrating. I'm all about Justin Watson fielding punts. He's a smart player, has sure hands back there and looked confident when he fielded them. Just catch it and run forward, to pussyfooting, no reversing field, just catch and run forward. Take what they give you, don't give anyone the opportunity to get a penalty and get the best QB that has ever played the ball.

No clue WTF to think about Townsend. Obviously he biffed the snap, but it looked like after the miss Butker was explaining shit to Townsend. Do they not practice? WTF.

15 in a row is 15 in a row. DJ had like 2 picks and housed one on them when they were a playoff team and we were in the shitter and they were good. It happens. Dominance is hard. Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag lost some and played poorly in division sometimes, and they were actively cheating. It's hard. Get the win. Move on.

**** Donk Forever.

01-01-2023, 03:08 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Levelheaded Review Wk17 1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house. 2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain. 3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic. 4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D. 5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock. 6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay. 7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier. 8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit. 9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today. 10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.
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tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $523600	15 rushes won't cut it. It won't keep the defense honest. I don't know if they need to make PM do more rushes in the RPO game but the lack of a run game today really showed up. __________________ An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
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RaidersOftheCellar MVP Join Date: Sep 2016 Casino cash: $-519600	To me, the story of the game was Toney. He led the team in receiving and I think that could become a somewhat regular occurrence if he stays healthy. He’s going to be a big part of the playoff run.
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1405266	Good read DC, Thanks. I thought the officiating was ultimately fair. The hands to the face was weak, but so was the OPI that helped us out. that's really all I had a ton of trouble with. I'd sure as ** take that crew of Cheffers or Clete god ing Blakeman. God I hate ing dogshit officials. STs is ing frustrating. I'm all about Justin Watson fielding punts. He's a smart player, has sure hands back there and looked confident when he fielded them. Just catch it and run forward, to pussyfooting, no reversing field, just catch and run forward. Take what they give you, don't give anyone the opportunity to get a penalty and get the best QB that has ever played the ball. No clue WTF to think about Townsend. Obviously he biffed the snap, but it looked like after the miss Butker was explaining shit to Townsend. Do they not practice? WTF. 15 in a row is 15 in a row. DJ had like 2 picks and housed one on them when they were a playoff team and we were in the shitter and they were good. It happens. Dominance is hard. Brothering Cheatriot bag lost some and played poorly in division sometimes, and they were actively cheating. It's hard. Get the win. Move on. ** Donk Forever.
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