Chiefs A Levelheaded Review Wk17 - Page 10

DenverChief · 01-01-2023, 03:08 PM

1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house.

2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain.

3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic.

4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D.

5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock.

6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay.

7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier.

8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit.

9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today.

10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.

Chris Meck · 01-03-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Yes I am. And we need to fix the OT's so we will have time. They're so bad, when we play teMs with good pass rushers, we don't even have time for the short stuff.

How do you not see the correlation?

chiefzilla1501 · 01-03-2023, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Right... I wish we had an offense where the QB was the only one in the league to hit 5000 yards this year...

We have an offensive minded HC, TE and QB who are legitimately in the GOAT conversation at their positions. That is an obscene collection of talent.

Reality check is that kelce is 33 and can’t keep getting doubled and tripled. Kelces dominance hides a lot of our limitations of our WR room. We can’t approach the next few years assuming kelce keeps that up.

Our offense has been outstanding and on paper unstoppable. In the second half of the season we have run into plenty of issues.

I am proud of our offense. That is different from being content. For as good as we’ve been we are capable of much better.

-King- · 01-03-2023, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Mahomes missed MVS twice yesterday, one was most likely a long TD. Mahomes even called himself out in his words at his press conference.

Yeah but that's the MVS story. Somehow two hall of fame QBs can't gel with him. Hence his career 50% catch rate.

crispystl · 01-03-2023, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Yes, that was huge. I was ****ing screaming at the tv

I could be wrong but I thought that flag was thrown really late too. (When the contact actually happened early in the play)

-King- · 01-03-2023, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I really think there's a lot of irrational 'want' going on here.

We remember 'WASP', and we see Burrow throwing to Chase/Higgins/Boyd and we think-

MAN, I WANT THAT!

But reality is, 'WASP' is a pipedream with Brown and Wylie at OT, and The Bengals have all of those guys on rookie contracts still.

We're just in a different place now. You like Mahomes? Me too. But we're paying him now, and we have dogshit at RT, a mediocre LT that wants record setting money, and one good rookie DE and nothing else there. Things aren't changing other than continued growth this season.

and in '23, we have zero starting OT's, one starting level DE, no starting WR's under contract-33 guys under contract total, and somewhere around $45-50m to deal with it all.

We're not going to blow it all on a free agent WR-and there aren't any great ones in their prime available anyway.

We're going to have to grow our own, unless it's Toney-which if he can get his hammy issues under control I'd feel real good about, honestly.

I remember when we signed a bunch of guys despite having only $750 in cap space. It's almost like you can spread out cap hits so that they don't all impact one years salary cap.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 01-03-2023, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Yeah but that's the MVS story. Somehow two hall of fame QBs can't gel with him. Hence his career 50% catch rate.

Sunday was not on MVS... Mahomes flat out missed him.

Megatron96 · 01-03-2023, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Sunday was not on MVS... Mahomes flat out missed him.

My question is, how does Pat keep missing him? They haven't been in sync the entire season. And Pat has always been one of the most accurate deep passers since Day One.

It's to the point that when I see Pat uncork one in MVS' direction, before it starts coming down, I'm chalking it up to an INC. Sadly, most of the time I'm right.

DRM08 · 01-03-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

My question is, how does Pat keep missing him? They haven't been in sync the entire season. And Pat has always been one of the most accurate deep passers since Day One.

It's to the point that when I see Pat uncork one in MVS' direction, before it starts coming down, I'm chalking it up to an INC. Sadly, most of the time I'm right.

I don’t agree regarding Mahomes’ deep ball accuracy. It’s the biggest weakness in his game. Weird thing is I think he was better at those deep shots in college.

Chris Meck · 01-03-2023, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

We have an offensive minded HC, TE and QB who are legitimately in the GOAT conversation at their positions. That is an obscene collection of talent.

Reality check is that kelce is 33 and can’t keep getting doubled and tripled. Kelces dominance hides a lot of our limitations of our WR room. We can’t approach the next few years assuming kelce keeps that up.

Our offense has been outstanding and on paper unstoppable. In the second half of the season we have run into plenty of issues.

I am proud of our offense. That is different from being content. For as good as we’ve been we are capable of much better.

We're going to have to grow our own, which is why we spent a #2 this year on a WR, and snatched a '21 #1 pick from The Giants.

There's an emphasis on the position, and will continue to be, and some guys will work out, and some won't. But purchasing a #1 WR that is an upgrade from Juju is highly unlikely any time in the near future no matter how much some of you guys want to scream for it.

It's HIGHLY UNLIKELY. And wouldn't do KC any good anyway, with dumpster fires at OT and a subpar defensive line other than Jones. Karlaftis I have high hopes for, but you really need a speed rusher opposite.

Dream all you want, I'm done talking about it. You guys can all wring your hands and cry again this offseason about how we won't sniff the play-offs and all of the other teams got so much better, and then we'll go win the division again and compete for a SB anyway.

DenverChief · 01-04-2023, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We're going to have to grow our own, which is why we spent a #2 this year on a WR, and snatched a '21 #1 pick from The Giants.

There's an emphasis on the position, and will continue to be, and some guys will work out, and some won't. But purchasing a #1 WR that is an upgrade from Juju is highly unlikely any time in the near future no matter how much some of you guys want to scream for it.

It's HIGHLY UNLIKELY. And wouldn't do KC any good anyway, with dumpster fires at OT and a subpar defensive line other than Jones. Karlaftis I have high hopes for, but you really need a speed rusher opposite.

Dream all you want, I'm done talking about it. You guys can all wring your hands and cry again this offseason about how we won't sniff the play-offs and all of the other teams got so much better, and then we'll go win the division again and compete for a SB anyway.

I presume you believe that Niang and/or PTW will not ever be starters?

chiefzilla1501 · 01-04-2023, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I presume you believe that Niang and/or PTW will not ever be starters?

I think wanagho is intriguing but RT is exactly the type of position you use the draft for because you can find talent in the late rounds. If you dont hit just keep swinging.

Chris Meck · 01-04-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

I presume you believe that Niang and/or PTW will not ever be starters?

I'm just not convinced The Chiefs believe either will be, or we'd have seen one or the other instead of Wylie, who blows goats.

Megatron96 · 01-04-2023, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

I don’t agree regarding Mahomes’ deep ball accuracy. It’s the biggest weakness in his game. Weird thing is I think he was better at those deep shots in college.

Hmm. There's tons of Mahomes/Chiefs highlight reels on YT showing Pat dropping dimes on DRob, Conley, Sammy, Hill . . . even Sausage.

Even his misses many times were inches off, up to maybe a yard or two.

But he's been missing MVS by as much as 10+ feet; that seems to be new this season?

O.city · 01-04-2023, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Hmm. There's tons of Mahomes/Chiefs highlight reels on YT showing Pat dropping dimes on DRob, Conley, Sammy, Hill . . . even Sausage.

Even his misses many times were inches off, up to maybe a yard or two.

But he's been missing MVS by as much as 10+ feet; that seems to be new this season?

He's never been a good "deep ball thrower" here in terms of the traditional deep ball. THe deep crossers and such yes, but the outside or deep posts, not so much.

01-01-2023, 03:08 PM
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	A Levelheaded Review Wk17 1. The missed XP & FG - didn't get to see another view of the XP snap - looks like Tommy just flat out dropped the ball. Love the initial effort to just take it in for 2 but when he realized he wasn't gonna get there it got ugly. Maybe Tommy is the problem. Need to figure out the XP/FG thing real quick. That will kill us in the playoffs. The missed FG at half, dunno what to say other that Butker flat out shanked that kick. I watched closely as the ball was snapped. It was a clean catch and perfect placement (laces out) Butker for whatever reason hit it like a parent chasing a child around the house. 2. EZ Interception. The Broncos seem to have figured out how to get Pat to throw picks. 4 total in the last two meetings combined. Disappointed in this one but Pat takes risks and sometimes they don't work out. I did think it was interesting that Pat didn't throw to Pat's side all game. Much respect for the Surtain. 3. Toney PR fumble was just good special teams work. Can't really fault Toney for fumbling - it was a good strip. Chiefs have to know other teams are looking to strip the ball now. Knowing that our guys aren't holding the ball with two hands in traffic. 4. Defense played really well multiple batted balls, couple of Wilson sacks and bottled their O pretty effectively. 2nd Q big 3rd down play with about a minute left. They just found the soft spot in the D, this is a direct result of LB's in coverage. Need to find that Sorenson hybrid LB/DB. Someone with size to play the run and speed to play the pass. Defense really came up big today when it counted and they have improved dramatically over the last couple of games. The addition of Brandon Williams seems to correlate with the improved pass rush and run D. 5. Watson, just when you thought he was done for he comes up with a huge play in the final seconds of the first half. Great catch - absolutely amazed at what Mahomes can make happen with very little time on the clock. 6. The Broncos are a proud organization they know the score and they are going to give us 110% every game year after year. We have to be prepared for that. Especially with the dismissal of their HC. Denver last swept us multiple years in the division from 2012 thru 2014. We have been sweeping them every year since 2016, 14 games in a row, quite the feat. Especially considering a lot our rivalry has been to split the series. They are no slouches and were projected to give the Chiefs a run for their money this year. Their Defense is really good - their offense is okay. 7. Patrick is back to playing the long ball game when it's not there. Gotta take the open stuff underneath. He missed Pacheco wide open in the flat a couple of times. Need to see the all 22 but Juju and Kelce both disappeared through the 1st three quarters. Need to game plan to get them in the game earlier. 8. Sneed wanted that pick 6 pretty bad and got absolutely leveled by Jerry Jeudy. Gotta have your head on a swivel if you are gonna dance around after an interception. Glad to see he is okay after taking that hit. 9. Referees - Pass interference the PI on Sutton was super ticky tacky as was the Williams PI. The 4th and 7th play was incredibly confusing. Illegal hands to the face (which no replay - show me the penalty - I hate them ignoring that) before the interception - 5 yard penalty makes it 4th & 2. The sticks were set up for 1st and 10 but the down marker was 4th down. Didn't matter as Jeudy got a 9 yard pass but talk about discombobulated. WTF was going on with the zebras today. 10. Injuries Thuney and Skyy. Obviously the Thuney injury hurts, hopefully it is just minor and can make a complete recovery before the playoffs.
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