Chiefs Would you give Jones 3/100m or trade him? - Page 6

**BossChief** · 01-07-2023, 09:56 PM

We might as well start the conversation.

Aaron Donald got a 3 year extension worth 95m and Jones won’t/shouldn’t accept a penny less.

We can probably get the equivalent of 2 firsts if we trade him.

Poll will be up in a minute…

**notorious** · 01-08-2023, 09:17 AM

It's ok to say he's the best DT in the NFL and a freak, and say we can get a kings ransom and should trade him.

That's how you keep dynasties going. You use your great players at their peak and sell them when they approach the backside of their career.

It sucks, but it's reality.

ForeverIowan · 01-08-2023, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Maybe so.

But a Sneed deal is coming up. Gay year after. And we have OBJ/LT to decide on. And no quality RT. And Juju.

We have 33 players under contract for 2023. That's pretty a pretty bare cupboard.

Sneed and Gay are great. Im sorry though they arent unicorns. We could spend a couple 2nd rounders and likely adequately replace their production. Unless you anticipate drafting inside the top five any time soon for a generational talent you arent replacing Jones. Extend him and give him 3-4 more years in KC.

Chris Meck · 01-08-2023, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Sneed and Gay are great. Im sorry though they arent unicorns. We could spend a couple 2nd rounders and likely adequately replace their production. Unless you anticipate drafting inside the top five any time soon for a generational talent you arent replacing Jones. Extend him and give him 3-4 more years in KC.

Maybe. Or is that us as fans being emotionally attached?

All of the higher ranked defenses in the NFL do not include Chris Jones on their line. What if moving Jones nets a mid-first and a second, and frees up $30m a year in cap room that allows you to sign a couple of good pass rushers that together are more productive than Chris Jones + any other individual Chief, while also drafting a day one upgrade at LT that will be cost controlled for five years, saving us $20m a year not having to pay Brown as well as another second round pick to upgrade any number of positions, like perhaps adding plus WR talent so that we don't have to pay a FA top of the market?

I mean, you know, I love Jones, and I'm not certain we shouldn't try to build the next three or four years' defenses around him-but I'm not sure we CAN.

It's not nearly as easy an equation as it seems to be.

Belichick's way was to send Seymour packing in his prime. It turned out to be the right decision.

I don't know. I'm just saying if you have an immediate 'NO' reaction before considering what the possible implications are up and down the roster, you may not be having a logical reaction.

**Bowser** · 01-08-2023, 09:49 AM

I voted extend, but I'm fine with letting him finish his contract then tag for a year. That allows us to extend Sneed whom we absolutely cannot let walk, either. With the way the cap appears to be ready to skyrocket, we might be able to get an impact pass rushing defensive end in here within the next season or two if you don't have to worry about dancing around Jones' upcoming superstar deal.

Jones is Mahomes on defense for this team. We could benefit from Tyreek being traded because he wasn't Mahomes. There's nobody on this defense currently that could cover the loss of Jones as Mahomes did with the loss of Tyreek.

Chiefspants · 01-08-2023, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kcclone

We should not be paying him in 2023 and beyond based on what he did in Super Bowl LIV

How about for what he did this season?

Skyy God · 01-08-2023, 09:59 AM

Whatever Big Dick Bart wants to do.

O.city · 01-08-2023, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Maybe so.

But a Sneed deal is coming up. Gay year after. And we have OBJ/LT to decide on. And no quality RT. And Juju.

We have 33 players under contract for 2023. That's pretty a pretty bare cupboard.

Sneed and a LT

Everything else there will be replaced in the draft

TambaBerry · 01-08-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

I voted extend, but I'm fine with letting him finish his contract then tag for a year. That allows us to extend Sneed whom we absolutely cannot let walk, either. With the way the cap appears to be ready to skyrocket, we might be able to get an impact pass rushing defensive end in here within the next season or two if you don't have to worry about dancing around Jones' upcoming superstar deal.

Jones is Mahomes on defense for this team. We could benefit from Tyreek being traded because he wasn't Mahomes. There's nobody on this defense currently that could cover the loss of Jones as Mahomes did with the loss of Tyreek.

If I'm Jones after the season I just had no way in hell I'm playing without an extension. Being 28 years old I'm not waiting until I'm 30 to get paid again.

O.city · 01-08-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Maybe. Or is that us as fans being emotionally attached?

All of the higher ranked defenses in the NFL do not include Chris Jones on their line. What if moving Jones nets a mid-first and a second, and frees up $30m a year in cap room that allows you to sign a couple of good pass rushers that together are more productive than Chris Jones + any other individual Chief, while also drafting a day one upgrade at LT that will be cost controlled for five years, saving us $20m a year not having to pay Brown as well as another second round pick to upgrade any number of positions, like perhaps adding plus WR talent so that we don't have to pay a FA top of the market?

I mean, you know, I love Jones, and I'm not certain we shouldn't try to build the next three or four years' defenses around him-but I'm not sure we CAN.

It's not nearly as easy an equation as it seems to be.

Belichick's way was to send Seymour packing in his prime. It turned out to be the right decision.

I don't know. I'm just saying if you have an immediate 'NO' reaction before considering what the possible implications are up and down the roster, you may not be having a logical reaction.

You keep saying “the best defenses don’t have jones”

They absolutely have elite players in the front 7. You can’t have a great defense without that.

Chris Meck · 01-08-2023, 10:09 AM

We have 33 players under contract in 2023. So, 20 roster spots wide open. We'll have around $50m after cut Clark.

We have no LT. No starting quality RT. Our DE position is: Karlaftis, Danna, Herring, Kaindoh. Our WR room is: MVS, Toney, Moore.

9 draft picks and that'll eat up like what, $12m or so of the cap room? Let's be generous and say $10m.

So $40m and we'll need LT, RT, DE, WR all capable of producing on a championship caliber level for a SB caliber team.

I don't think we can afford to pay Jones AND Brown. Given a choice, I'd pay Jones and send a #2 to GB for Nijman and a mid-level LT contract, but I don't know if it's on the table.

But I am fairly certain we can't pay them both and field an NFL caliber 53.

**notorious** · 01-08-2023, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

If I'm Jones after the season I just had no way in hell I'm playing without an extension. Being 28 years old I'm not waiting until I'm 30 to get paid again.

Absolutely.

Guys saw a colleague laid out on national television, his career over.

Owners are about to get a dose of **** you from the players when it comes to getting paid.

O.city · 01-08-2023, 10:10 AM

The first year hits on those will be small. They haven’t even dipped into Mahomes deal yet.

Chris Meck · 01-08-2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You keep saying “the best defenses don’t have jones”

They absolutely have elite players in the front 7. You can’t have a great defense without that.

Sure, but what if moving Jones allows you to restock, and with some cost controlled elite talent?

**Bowser** · 01-08-2023, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TambaBerry

If I'm Jones after the season I just had no way in hell I'm playing without an extension. Being 28 years old I'm not waiting until I'm 30 to get paid again.

That is the rub, for sure. And he'd be right in asking for it now instead of later.

You HAVE to find a way to keep him and keep him happy, bottom line.

O.city · 01-08-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Sure, but what if moving Jones allows you to restock, and with some cost controlled elite talent?

The odds of that are lower than keeping the elite talent we have though. You’d likely need to hit on a few free agents and have the draft to fall in your favor.

View Poll Results: Pay or trade Chris Jones?
Give Chris Jones an extension worth similar amount as Donald	93	54.07%
Trade Chris Jones for market value (which I assume is similar to Tyreek)	32	18.60%
Keep him his last year and tag him next year	47	27.33%
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Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-48384	I voted extend, but I'm fine with letting him finish his contract then tag for a year. That allows us to extend Sneed whom we absolutely cannot let walk, either. With the way the cap appears to be ready to skyrocket, we might be able to get an impact pass rushing defensive end in here within the next season or two if you don't have to worry about dancing around Jones' upcoming superstar deal. Jones is Mahomes on defense for this team. We could benefit from Tyreek being traded because he wasn't Mahomes. There's nobody on this defense currently that could cover the loss of Jones as Mahomes did with the loss of Tyreek.
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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1175090	We have 33 players under contract in 2023. So, 20 roster spots wide open. We'll have around $50m after cut Clark. We have no LT. No starting quality RT. Our DE position is: Karlaftis, Danna, Herring, Kaindoh. Our WR room is: MVS, Toney, Moore. 9 draft picks and that'll eat up like what, $12m or so of the cap room? Let's be generous and say $10m. So $40m and we'll need LT, RT, DE, WR all capable of producing on a championship caliber level for a SB caliber team. I don't think we can afford to pay Jones AND Brown. Given a choice, I'd pay Jones and send a #2 to GB for Nijman and a mid-level LT contract, but I don't know if it's on the table. But I am fairly certain we can't pay them both and field an NFL caliber 53.
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