Chiefs The DL is more self-suffient. - Page 4

Direckshun · 01-09-2023, 11:27 AM

Some factoids about our passrush:

The Chiefs ended the year 2nd in the league in sacks, with 55 total.

Jones had 15.5 -- ridiculous.
The next four top sack-rackers were our DEs, which I guess is good. Karlaftis 6, Clark 5, Danna 5, Dunlap 4.

Saunders/Wharton/Williams combined for 5 sacks on the season.

The blitzers put up 14.5 all year.

7 from the LBs.
7.5 from the DBs.

I noticed around the bye week that blitzers accounted for roughly a third of our sacks. I haven't looked up pressures, but I'm going to assume the numbers are similar there.

End of the season, they accounted for 26% of our sacks.

The number dropped exactly for the reason you think:

Week 12 vs. Rams: 3 total sacks, 1 from blitz
Week 13 vs Bengals: 1 total sack, 0 from blitz
Week 14 vs. Broncos: 6 total sacks, 1.5 from blitz
Week 15 vs. Texans: 1 total sack, 0 from blitz
Week 16 vs. Seahawks: 2 total sacks, 0 from blitz
Week 17 vs. Broncos: 4 total sacks, 1 from blitz
Week 18 vs. Raiders: 6 total sacks, 1 from blitz

The last seven games of the season, blitzes accounted for 4.5 out of 23 sacks, or 19%.

I don't know if Spags is blitzing less, or if the blitzes are getting less effective.

I think the biggest factor is that the DL is rushing somewhat more effectively, led by Jones and Karlaftis.
--> In that same 7 week timespan, Jones has put up 6.5 sacks, and Karlaftis has put up 5.5 sacks.

Considering how important it's going to be to beat Burrow (and maybe Allen?) without blitzing, that's a very big development for the defense.

ToxSocks · 01-09-2023, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So it's essentially the same OL that fisted us in the AFCCG last season.

Which is why their injuries doesn't make my dick twitch. Wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up being irrelevant. I'm not counting on it being a deciding factor, that's for sure.

DenverChief · 01-09-2023, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

KC was fortunate the Bengals pissed away 11 points deep in KC territory. Burrow threw a perfect pass that a wide open receiver dropped in the end zone, which cost them 4 points. And of course the great play by Carlos Dunlap on 4th & 1 near KC’s goal line. Zach Taylor and Cincy staff probably should have kept the ball in Burrow’s hands instead of attempting the silly/cute reverse play. Either QB sneak it with Burrow or let him throw it.

Regardless, the Bengals punted 1 time the entire game and moved the ball at will. KC’s offense was the only solid defense against Cincy’s offense. Chiefs offense ran a lot of clock and kept Burrow/Chase on sidelines. Obviously the Bengals did the same thing to keep Mahomes on the sideline as much as possible. Both teams were using ball control approach, which helped keep the score below 30 for each team.

AND weren't putting WR's on an island with Chase by blitzing. Gotta use that extra man to cover the most dangerous weapon on the field. Also, no Hardman or Toney for that game and we all know how they change the dynamics of our offense.

DRM08 · 01-09-2023, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

AND weren't putting WR's on an island with Chase by blitzing. Gotta use that extra man to cover the most dangerous weapon on the field. Also, no Hardman or Toney for that game and we all know how they change the dynamics of our offense.

No clue if Hardman will be back in the playoffs. He might be outright finished in Kansas City since his contract is over this year. I hope Toney can stay healthy for all playoff games.

Megatron96 · 01-09-2023, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

AND weren't putting WR's on an island with Chase by blitzing. Gotta use that extra man to cover the most dangerous weapon on the field. Also, no Hardman or Toney for that game and we all know how they change the dynamics of our offense.

Not for nothing, but I think putting Sneed on Chase throughout the game will make some difference as well. I don't think we did that when we played them last.

Yep, Spags started having Sneed follow their WR1 around in the SEA game with DK.

ToxSocks · 01-09-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yep, Spags started having Sneed follow their WR1 around in the SEA game with DK.

He started it with Mike Williams in the 2nd Chargers game. Been kinda doing it ever since.

Megatron96 · 01-09-2023, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

He started it with Mike Williams in the 2nd Chargers game. Been kinda doing it ever since.

Yeah, but even in that game he allowed Jaylen/Josh (can't seem to keep those guys straight in my mind) to shadow Williams a few times in that game.

I was talking about just following a guy around the whole game. That's not Spags style really, but since the SEA game, Sneed has pretty much been following the other team's WR1 around from start to finish, I think.

Whatever. It's not just Sneed being on their WR1 that's making the difference.

The significant side benefit is that it has moved Trent to the slot, which has paid some nice dividends in the secondary, allowing him to be a kind of HB lite there. That should cover some of the issues we've been having with Reid/Thornhill, allows Reid to play closer to the LoS, and still allows Thorny to protect the deep zones on whatever guy Sneed isn't on.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-09-2023, 01:44 PM

Shart is gonna explode in the playoffs

Megatron96 · 01-09-2023, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Shart is gonna explode in the playoffs

He'd have to be 100% healthy. And we don't know the extent of his groin injury. Even then, i don't think 'explode' is going to be the right description.

I hope that he gets healthy, and has something similar to his 2019 playoff performance. That would go a long way towards helping the team earn another Ring.

BWillie · 01-09-2023, 02:12 PM

We led the league in sacks the last year grandpa Bob was here.

Sack totals do not necessarily matter. When you can reliably get pressure on the QB does and in key situations.

Garbage time sacks should not even be a stat. Like if you are up 30 to 10 in 4th quarter. Who cares but what you can dial up on 3rd downs when it matters or on 2nd and short and how your defense plays the run and pass well at the same time

DenverChief · 01-09-2023, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

We led the league in sacks the last year grandpa Bob was here.

Sack totals do not necessarily matter. When you can reliably get pressure on the QB does and in key situations.

Garbage time sacks should not even be a stat. Like if you are up 30 to 10 in 4th quarter. Who cares but what you can dial up on 3rd downs when it matters or on 2nd and short and how your defense plays the run and pass well at the same time

Points Allowed:
2019 308
2020 362
2021 364
2022 369

QB Pressures :
2019 145
2020 156
2021 183
2022 171

Sacks :
2019 45
2020 32
2021 31
2022 55

Interceptions :
2019 16
2020 16
2021 15
2022 11

Total Yards Allowed
2019 5,593
2020 6,117
2021 6,619
2022 6,201

Missed Tackles :
2019 101
2020 119
2021 93
2022 77

BWillie · 01-09-2023, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Points Allowed:
2019 308
2020 362
2021 364
2022 369

QB Pressures :
2019 145
2020 156
2021 183
2022 171

Sacks :
2019 45
2020 32
2021 31
2022 55

Interceptions :
2019 16
2020 16
2021 15
2022 11

Total Yards Allowed
2019 5,593
2020 6,117
2021 6,619
2022 6,201

Missed Tackles :
2019 101
2020 119
2021 93
2022 77

Wat about 2018

Megatron96 · 01-09-2023, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Wat about 2018

Sutton was DC

BWillie · 01-09-2023, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Sutton was DC

I know...

DenverChief · 01-09-2023, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Wat about 2018

I can throw something together in a bit.

DRM08 · 01-09-2023, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

We led the league in sacks the last year grandpa Bob was here.

Sack totals do not necessarily matter. When you can reliably get pressure on the QB does and in key situations.

Garbage time sacks should not even be a stat. Like if you are up 30 to 10 in 4th quarter. Who cares but what you can dial up on 3rd downs when it matters or on 2nd and short and how your defense plays the run and pass well at the same time

Yep, the 2018 defense had a bunch of sacks in regular season. When it came time to get pressure on Brady in the playoffs, they couldn't do it. The one time they did it, they were called for a bogus Roughing the Passer flag. Very similar to the most recent game against Burrow, where the only pressure on him the entire game was flagged for a bogus Roughing penalty. Getting one pressure on the guy for an entire game ain't going to cut it. I really hope they can find a way to do better in a potential rematch.

Of course it's possible the Bengals don't make it past Buffalo. That's one advantage KC now has on the Bengals. Last year Cincy got to play weaker QB's in Carr/Tannehill, while KC had a full blown knock down drag-out fight with Josh Allen & Buffalo. This year it's the reverse. Burrow & Cincy will have to get past Buffalo, which could be some kind of crazy overtime game.

01-09-2023, 11:27 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	The DL is more self-suffient. Some factoids about our passrush: The Chiefs ended the year 2nd in the league in sacks, with 55 total. Jones had 15.5 -- ridiculous. The next four top sack-rackers were our DEs, which I guess is good. Karlaftis 6, Clark 5, Danna 5, Dunlap 4. Saunders/Wharton/Williams combined for 5 sacks on the season. The blitzers put up 14.5 all year. 7 from the LBs. 7.5 from the DBs. I noticed around the bye week that blitzers accounted for roughly a third of our sacks. I haven't looked up pressures, but I'm going to assume the numbers are similar there. End of the season, they accounted for 26% of our sacks. The number dropped exactly for the reason you think: Week 12 vs. Rams: 3 total sacks, 1 from blitz Week 13 vs Bengals: 1 total sack, 0 from blitz Week 14 vs. Broncos: 6 total sacks, 1.5 from blitz Week 15 vs. Texans: 1 total sack, 0 from blitz Week 16 vs. Seahawks: 2 total sacks, 0 from blitz Week 17 vs. Broncos: 4 total sacks, 1 from blitz Week 18 vs. Raiders: 6 total sacks, 1 from blitz The last seven games of the season, blitzes accounted for 4.5 out of 23 sacks, or 19%. I don't know if Spags is blitzing less, or if the blitzes are getting less effective. I think the biggest factor is that the DL is rushing somewhat more effectively, led by Jones and Karlaftis. --> In that same 7 week timespan, Jones has put up 6.5 sacks, and Karlaftis has put up 5.5 sacks. Considering how important it's going to be to beat Burrow (and maybe Allen?) without blitzing, that's a very big development for the defense.
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BWillie Are you ready to Rumble? Join Date: Apr 2006 Casino cash: $-1428759	We led the league in sacks the last year grandpa Bob was here. Sack totals do not necessarily matter. When you can reliably get pressure on the QB does and in key situations. Garbage time sacks should not even be a stat. Like if you are up 30 to 10 in 4th quarter. Who cares but what you can dial up on 3rd downs when it matters or on 2nd and short and how your defense plays the run and pass well at the same time
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