If fully healthy, this could be the greatest offense we've ever watched

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

We have 3 WR's in our division that can do it. 4 if you count Sutton, which imo, qualifies as well. We don't have to look far.

30% success rate on downfield passes. 2 drops on throws past 10 yards, same as MVS. Far fewer yards per route run. Worse success rate. He's undeniably a less effective downfield receiver than MVS.

Y'all just keep remembering the one time someone did something like that and "Hey, Courtland Sutton can do it!!"

So can MVS. He has. He doesn't do it with regularity because it simply doesn't get DONE with regularity. Sutton ain't doing it. Williams isn't. FFS, Demarcus Robinson sure as SHIT wasn't doing it.

What you're asking is for MVS to be a downfield threat AND JJSS. That ain't who he is. We specifically went out there and got 'niche' weapons instead of trying to find more jack of all trade players.

MVS, for what he does and what he's been ASKED to do, has been damn good at it here. But because he's not out there Mossing dudes on 40 yard throws downfield with regularity, you want to act like he's quitting on plays. He's not.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

30% success rate on downfield passes. 2 drops on throws past 10 yards, same as MVS. Far fewer yards per route run. Worse success rate. He's undeniably a less effective downfield receiver than MVS.

Y'all just keep remembering the one time someone did something like that and "Hey, Courtland Sutton can do it!!"

So can MVS. He has. He doesn't do it with regularity because it simply doesn't get DONE with regularity. Sutton ain't doing it. Williams isn't. FFS, Demarcus Robinson sure as SHIT wasn't doing it.

What you're asking is for MVS to be a downfield threat AND JJSS. That ain't who he is. We specifically went out there and got 'niche' weapons instead of trying to find more jack of all trade players.

MVS, for what he does and what he's been ASKED to do, has been damn good at it here. But because he's not out there Mossing dudes on 40 yard throws downfield with regularity, you want to act like he's quitting on plays. He's not.

Again, i'm high on MVS. I like MVS. I think he's the most capable WR on the roster outside of Toney.

I'm not asking MVS to be anything more than he is. Im also not in denial about what he isn't.

His hands are somewhat shaky, a reputation he's had long before KC, and has shown itself at times in KC, and he's not a particularly physical player.

No, i don't think he's "Quitting" on plays, and have never said that.

He he has some holes in his game. And that's fine. He's a nice #2. But he's not going to out jump someone. He's not gonna out position a guy, whether that be due to body control or strength. He's not gonna wrestle a 50/50 ball away from a DB. That's the part of his game that's missing.

And that's ok! Because we should be able to get a guy opposite of him that CAN.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Again, i'm high on MVS. I like MVS. I think he's the most capable WR on the roster outside of Toney.

I'm not asking MVS to be anything more than he is. Im also not in denial about what he isn't.

His hands are somewhat shaky, a reputation he's had long before KC, and has shown itself at times in KC, and he's not a particularly physical player.

No, i don't think he's "Quitting" on plays, and have never said that.

He he has some holes in his game. And that's fine. He's a nice #2. But he's not going to out jump someone. He's not gonna out position a guy, whether that be due to body control or strength. He's not gonna wrestle a 50/50 ball away from a DB. That's the part of his game that's missing.

And that's ok! Because we should be able to get a guy opposite of him that CAN.

Yeah - we're cool.

We (I?) were speaking past each other. My bad.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

30% success rate on downfield passes. 2 drops on throws past 10 yards, same as MVS. Far fewer yards per route run. Worse success rate. He's undeniably a less effective downfield receiver than MVS.

Y'all just keep remembering the one time someone did something like that and "Hey, Courtland Sutton can do it!!"

So can MVS. He has. He doesn't do it with regularity because it simply doesn't get DONE with regularity. Sutton ain't doing it. Williams isn't. FFS, Demarcus Robinson sure as SHIT wasn't doing it.

What you're asking is for MVS to be a downfield threat AND JJSS. That ain't who he is. We specifically went out there and got 'niche' weapons instead of trying to find more jack of all trade players.

MVS, for what he does and what he's been ASKED to do, has been damn good at it here. But because he's not out there Mossing dudes on 40 yard throws downfield with regularity, you want to act like he's quitting on plays. He's not.

I get if you want to argue for a specific type of WR. I just don’t understand your defense of Mvs. The guy is fast and can break open. Below average hands. Below average at getting to the ball. And he’s had 2 hall of fame QBs routinely miss him. In ways he didn’t miss hardman or tyreek. I’m not gonna bag on the guys character. I just don’t think he’s very good.