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Old 01-11-2023, 10:17 AM   #1
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If Noah Gray could do what Kelce does at 1/8 of the cost, yeah, you would do that.

This isnt' rocket surgery.
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Old 01-11-2023, 10:36 AM   #2
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If Noah Gray could do what Kelce does at 1/8 of the cost, yeah, you would do that.

This isnt' rocket surgery.
Skyy hasn’t proven that though, which was my point. And this is coming from someone who really likes him.

Juju had over 100 targets. He was easily Patrick’s most trusted receiver after Kelce. There’s a lot of value in that. He also had just under 1k yards despite having trouble being in rhythm the first few games and also missing some from a concussion.

Juju is a quality receiver and if he’s up for a fair deal (which all indicators point to) then why would you not keep him?

If this were MVS I’d whole heartedly agree. But Juju has shown a lot of value here.
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Old 01-11-2023, 10:46 AM   #3
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Skyy hasn’t proven that though, which was my point. And this is coming from someone who really likes him.

Juju had over 100 targets. He was easily Patrick’s most trusted receiver after Kelce. There’s a lot of value in that. He also had just under 1k yards despite having trouble being in rhythm the first few games and also missing some from a concussion.

Juju is a quality receiver and if he’s up for a fair deal (which all indicators point to) then why would you not keep him?

If this were MVS I’d whole heartedly agree. But Juju has shown a lot of value here.
He hasn't had the opportunity to prove much, the things he supposedly excels at, is being done by JJSS.

I don't think what JJSS excels at is necessarily a hard thing to find skill wise.


Every one keeps whining on about "build thru the draft, it's the only way". Well, said draft picks have to play otherwise you gain nothing.
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Old 01-11-2023, 10:46 AM   #4
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Skyy hasn’t proven that though, which was my point. And this is coming from someone who really likes him.

Juju had over 100 targets. He was easily Patrick’s most trusted receiver after Kelce. There’s a lot of value in that. He also had just under 1k yards despite having trouble being in rhythm the first few games and also missing some from a concussion.

Juju is a quality receiver and if he’s up for a fair deal (which all indicators point to) then why would you not keep him?

If this were MVS I’d whole heartedly agree. But Juju has shown a lot of value here.
Same reason we didn't keep Charvarius Ward.

Sometimes you've gotta make tough decisions even if all the player in question is seeking is a 'fair' deal.

Ward wasn't overpaid by any stretch of the imagination. But we felt we could replace his production with scheme and/or cost controlled players. I think that's exactly the situation we find ourselves in with JJSS.
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Same reason we didn't keep Charvarius Ward.

Sometimes you've gotta make tough decisions even if all the player in question is seeking is a 'fair' deal.

Ward wasn't overpaid by any stretch of the imagination. But we felt we could replace his production with scheme and/or cost controlled players. I think that's exactly the situation we find ourselves in with JJSS.
We were finding capable guys like Ward from a practice squad, Fenton from the 6th rd, Sneed from the 4th and Breeland from the scrap heap around training camp.

The Chiefs have taken shots at Cornell Powell, Jehu Chesson, Byron Pringle, Demarcus Robinson. None of those guys could fill the Sammy Watkins type role with any effectiveness.

It’s pretty obvious that we haven’t been able to fill Sammy’s shoes ever since he left.

I think Juju is capable of doing here what he did in Pittsburgh in 2019 next season as he gets a full offseason with Patrick.
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We were finding capable guys like Ward from a practice squad, Fenton from the 6th rd, Sneed from the 4th and Breeland from the scrap heap around training camp.

The Chiefs have taken shots at Cornell Powell, Jenny Chesson, Byron Pringle, Demarcus Robinson. None of those guys could fill the Sammy Watkins type role with any effectiveness.

It’s pretty obvious that we haven’t been able to fill Sammy’s shoes ever since he left.

I think Juju is capable of doing here what he did in Pittsburgh in 2019 next season as he gets a full offseason with Patrick.
Nobody was expecting Watson to replace Ward. They were expecting McDuffie to do it and he did.

So now we're not talking about Powell or Chesson here - we're talking about Skyy Moore.

That's your backfill. You know more about him now than you knew about McDuffie when he took the field.

It's big boy pants time for Skyy. And JJSS is such a limited player who runs such basic routes, I see no reason why we couldn't put Moore in that role and get strong production if he's an NFL caliber receiver.
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Nobody was expecting Watson to replace Ward. They were expecting McDuffie to do it and he did.

So now we're not talking about Powell or Chesson here - we're talking about Skyy Moore.

That's your backfill. You know more about him now than you knew about McDuffie when he took the field.

It's big boy pants time for Skyy. And JJSS is such a limited player who runs such basic routes, I see no reason why we couldn't put Moore in that role and get strong production if he's an NFL caliber receiver.
People keep bringing up Juju as the role that Skyy fits but I don’t think that’s the correct comparison.

It’s Watson. Justin Watson is doing everything that Skyy fits, which is some of the same things Juju does.
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People keep bringing up Juju as the role that Skyy fits but I don’t think that’s the correct comparison.

It’s Watson. Justin Watson is doing everything that Skyy fits, which is some of the same things Juju does.
Other than Watson has this real problem holding on to the ball.
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People keep bringing up Juju as the role that Skyy fits but I don’t think that’s the correct comparison.

It’s Watson. Justin Watson is doing everything that Skyy fits, which is some of the same things Juju does.
When JJSS was out, Moore's snaps were the highest, IIRC
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People keep bringing up Juju as the role that Skyy fits but I don’t think that’s the correct comparison.

It’s Watson. Justin Watson is doing everything that Skyy fits, which is some of the same things Juju does.
Watson's getting 30 routes a game - THAT'S the guy you want Moore to be next season?

Watson's fungible as shit, as is the role he plays. If your plan for our 2nd round pick is to have him be that, then you're all but conceding that Moore was a bad pick in the 2nd round.

And Moore simply isn't that kind of player anyway. He wasn't in college when he was running 80% of his routes underneath. He's a stick/hitch guy. In college he was EXACTLY what JJSS has been this year and he's given no indication that he should be relied on as MORE than that, if he should be relied on as that at all.
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People keep bringing up Juju as the role that Skyy fits but I don’t think that’s the correct comparison.

It’s Watson. Justin Watson is doing everything that Skyy fits, which is some of the same things Juju does.
What Skyy does well is get open quickly the first 5 yards.

That's about it, which is a decent slot but those guys are available every year in FA for not much $$$.
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