Chiefs Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday. - Page 15

Direckshun · 01-11-2023, 08:58 AM

This interview had a lot of nuggets in it. Some small, some medium sized, maybe one huge.

"snowglobe" was put together roughly a year ago, and can neither confirm or deny it was a dunk on the Raiders circling the stadium a couple years back
like the Ferrari plays, "snowglobe" was almost certainly a Mahomes concept before Reid/Bienemy refined it
Frank Clark is perfectly fine
the Chiefs want to re-sign JuJu Smith-Schuster
Brett Veach has been a Justin Watson fan for several years, seems likely he'll re-sign him
the Chiefs will draft a WR this year at some point
the Chiefs could very well make an offer to Willie Gay this offseason, but Gay may choose to play out the remainder of his contract anyway
highly indicated the Chiefs will probably make an offer to L'Jarius Sneed
probably the biggest news: the Chiefs are going to shop Clyde Edwards-Helaire all offseason and preseason

Urc Burry · 01-12-2023, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks

Woof. Gotta strongly disagree with you on this one.

I think they're grooming Chenal for Willie's spot should Willie try to play hardball.

You don't get rid of guys like Bolton.

Naw. Chenal has some straight line speed to test well in a 40. But he doesn’t have the fluidity to be a 3 down backer. He can find himself on the field more, but I think that would be as a blitzer/DE if he can develop a little there

KCJake · 01-12-2023, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And making overtures to extend Sneed and Gay early is absolutely a no-brainer.

Either guy may be better served to bet on themselves and I wouldn't fault them for it, but you make them tell you no if nothing else.

I'd prefer to keep these guys and trade Jones

ToxSocks · 01-12-2023, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake

I'd prefer to keep these guys and trade Jones

Sneed you wanna keep. Gay though....eh. Love the player, but he's the kind of guy you let test the market if the $$$ aint right.

Bolton is the stalwart of this LB group. There's no shortage of fast LB's out there. You could replace a Gay. Sneed/Jones/Bolton are a rarer bird.

If signing Gay means you lose Bolton, that ain't it.

And count me as one that thinks Jones is mandatory.

DJ's left nut · 01-12-2023, 12:21 PM

Yeah, I just can't envision a scenario where this team is better over the next 3 years for having traded Chris Jones.

Maybe I just have a poor imagination...

**penguinz** · 01-12-2023, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Sneed you wanna keep. Gay though....eh. Love the player, but he's the kind of guy you let test the market if the $$$ aint right.

Bolton is the stalwart of this LB group. There's no shortage of fast LB's out there. You could replace a Gay. Sneed/Jones/Bolton are a rarer bird.

If signing Gay means you lose Bolton, that ain't it.

And count me as one that thinks Jones is mandatory.

Spot on with this.

Boxer_Chief · 01-12-2023, 03:20 PM

Bolton is not only a tackling machine but he’s the general on the field and someone opposing teams fear. Dude is a baller, always has a knack for the ball. He could use improvement in coverage but man he’s the dude and that’s the guy you gotta keep.

JPH83 · 01-12-2023, 04:43 PM

Yeah I'd prioritise Sneed over Gay. I'm the same as a few others on Gay, would like to keep but not on big money. The athleticism is great but he's a feast or famine guy, i don't think we're ever getting the consistency we're hoping for to justify a wedge on him when it'll need to go on Bolton.

As a relative Moore enthusiast in the draft (no, I didn't think he was the BEST WR) I'm supremely comfortable with him taking Juju's role. I'd run that risk now if the alternative is big money on JJSS. I think megatron and chiefzilla are about right on him. It's a mental not physical thing imo, not sure that's more or less encouraging, but there's nothing in his college usage or physical profile that suggests to me he can't take that role and offer more. If we're desperate to spend money on a guy to fill that role as a safety blanket I'd see what Meyers is looking for. That again is a guy who does everything JJSS does and a fair amount more, despite similar physical limitations and woeful QB play. If they're drafting another WR I sure as hell don't want JJSS here.

I will never get the Watson fascination, or the repeated insistence that he's "fast". His single redeeming feature is he's cheap.

DJ's left nut · 01-12-2023, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

I will never get the Watson fascination, or the repeated insistence that he's "fast". His single redeeming feature is he's cheap.

Isiah Thomas has a theory on that one...

Megatron96 · 01-12-2023, 06:14 PM

Dammit. Where's Skyy's burst? He runs a 4.4, right? there should be more burst. Where the heck did it go?

He does look like JJ. He can run a good route, though if you look at his highlight reels, he's playing vs. man in just about every clip, and against less-than-NFL standard athletes in most if not all of them, so of course he wins a lot, or they just play off him, which practically stealing for him.

He tracks the ball very well, and will attack it wherever it is, when he has to. But for a 4.4 guy, there's a noticeable lack of burst, which is concerning.

Man, I must be going blind, or he flashed better acceleration earlier in the season or something.

DJ's left nut · 01-12-2023, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

Dammit. Where's Skyy's burst? He runs a 4.4, right? there should be more burst. Where the heck did it go?

He's just setting up blocks...

**Bob Dole** · 01-12-2023, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJake

I'd prefer to keep these guys and trade Jones

Jones is a disruptor, but okay

Megatron96 · 01-12-2023, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's just setting up blocks...

Meh. Even if that's the case in some situations, there's snaps in those clips in the OP where he's just running a route, whether it's a slant, a skinny post, whatever, and after the catch there's not much of a mid-gear burst. TBH, I don't know how that's possible when you run a 4.4; there should be a pop to the next gear, so where is it?

raybec 4 · 01-12-2023, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Jones is a disruptor, but okay

Exactly, Jones has the ability to disrupt every play he's on the field for.

Iconic · 01-12-2023, 07:13 PM

On the topic of Skyy, it's really too early to be saying much and I'm holding my tongue till we see how year 2 pans out... but man as it stands there's no question it stings a little watching Pickens **** shit up in Pittsburgh while Moore fumbles 404944 punts and is relatively non existent in the offense.

DenverChief · 01-12-2023, 09:56 PM

We have 2 starting caliber WR's under contract for next year and a second round pick that seems shell shocked/PTSD. I have a hard time believing that this coaching staff goes into next year with only 1 proven WR (MVS) and a very good potential WR in Toney. The rest os a crap shoot. I could see if any of those reclamation projects show out in the TC/PS that we shop someone but I'm not buying that we let Juju/Hardman and/or Watson walk.

Juju Smith-Shuster (26 yo)- Re-sign
Marquez Valdez-Scantling (28 yo) - Under Contract until '24
Kadarius Toney (23 yo) - Under Contract until '24
Mecole Hardman (24 yo) - Free Agent
Skyy Moore - (22 yo) Under Contract until '25
Justin Watson (26 yo) - Free Agent

Justyn Ross (23 yo)
John Ross (27 yo)
Ihmir Smith-Marsette (23 yo)
Ty Fryfogle (23 yo)

01-11-2023, 08:58 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday. This interview had a lot of nuggets in it. Some small, some medium sized, maybe one huge. "snowglobe" was put together roughly a year ago, and can neither confirm or deny it was a dunk on the Raiders circling the stadium a couple years back like the Ferrari plays, "snowglobe" was almost certainly a Mahomes concept before Reid/Bienemy refined it Frank Clark is perfectly fine the Chiefs want to re-sign JuJu Smith-Schuster Brett Veach has been a Justin Watson fan for several years, seems likely he'll re-sign him the Chiefs will draft a WR this year at some point the Chiefs could very well make an offer to Willie Gay this offseason, but Gay may choose to play out the remainder of his contract anyway highly indicated the Chiefs will probably make an offer to L'Jarius Sneed probably the biggest news: the Chiefs are going to shop Clyde Edwards-Helaire all offseason and preseason
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Boxer_Chief Veteran Join Date: Jan 2014 Casino cash: $-835100	Bolton is not only a tackling machine but he’s the general on the field and someone opposing teams fear. Dude is a baller, always has a knack for the ball. He could use improvement in coverage but man he’s the dude and that’s the guy you gotta keep.
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01-12-2023, 04:43 PM	#217
JPH83 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2021 Casino cash: $-269600	Yeah I'd prioritise Sneed over Gay. I'm the same as a few others on Gay, would like to keep but not on big money. The athleticism is great but he's a feast or famine guy, i don't think we're ever getting the consistency we're hoping for to justify a wedge on him when it'll need to go on Bolton. As a relative Moore enthusiast in the draft (no, I didn't think he was the BEST WR) I'm supremely comfortable with him taking Juju's role. I'd run that risk now if the alternative is big money on JJSS. I think megatron and chiefzilla are about right on him. It's a mental not physical thing imo, not sure that's more or less encouraging, but there's nothing in his college usage or physical profile that suggests to me he can't take that role and offer more. If we're desperate to spend money on a guy to fill that role as a safety blanket I'd see what Meyers is looking for. That again is a guy who does everything JJSS does and a fair amount more, despite similar physical limitations and woeful QB play. If they're drafting another WR I sure as hell don't want JJSS here. I will never get the Watson fascination, or the repeated insistence that he's "fast". His single redeeming feature is he's cheap.
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01-12-2023, 06:14 PM	#219
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1959600	Dammit. Where's Skyy's burst? He runs a 4.4, right? there should be more burst. Where the heck did it go? He does look like JJ. He can run a good route, though if you look at his highlight reels, he's playing vs. man in just about every clip, and against less-than-NFL standard athletes in most if not all of them, so of course he wins a lot, or they just play off him, which practically stealing for him. He tracks the ball very well, and will attack it wherever it is, when he has to. But for a 4.4 guy, there's a noticeable lack of burst, which is concerning. Man, I must be going blind, or he flashed better acceleration earlier in the season or something. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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01-12-2023, 07:13 PM	#224
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $1600360	On the topic of Skyy, it's really too early to be saying much and I'm holding my tongue till we see how year 2 pans out... but man as it stands there's no question it stings a little watching Pickens ** shit up in Pittsburgh while Moore fumbles 404944 punts and is relatively non existent in the offense. __________________ 12·12·11 回 RIP Turd Haley**
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01-12-2023, 09:56 PM	#225
DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	We have 2 starting caliber WR's under contract for next year and a second round pick that seems shell shocked/PTSD. I have a hard time believing that this coaching staff goes into next year with only 1 proven WR (MVS) and a very good potential WR in Toney. The rest os a crap shoot. I could see if any of those reclamation projects show out in the TC/PS that we shop someone but I'm not buying that we let Juju/Hardman and/or Watson walk. Juju Smith-Shuster (26 yo)- Re-sign Marquez Valdez-Scantling (28 yo) - Under Contract until '24 Kadarius Toney (23 yo) - Under Contract until '24 Mecole Hardman (24 yo) - Free Agent Skyy Moore - (22 yo) Under Contract until '25 Justin Watson (26 yo) - Free Agent Justyn Ross (23 yo) John Ross (27 yo) Ihmir Smith-Marsette (23 yo) Ty Fryfogle (23 yo)
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