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Old 01-08-2020, 09:39 PM  
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AV calcs are out: is Mitchell Schwartz best FA signing in NFL history?
ProFootballReference.com has an “AV” value assigned to every player in history. Scale 0-26, with the highest ever being Ladanian Tomlinson 2006. It was matched this year. The top 10:

Approximate Value
1. Lamar Jackson • BAL 26
2. Stephon Gilmore • NWE 21
Marcus Peters • 2TM 21
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick • 2TM 20
5. Ronnie Stanley • BAL 19
Tre'Davious White • BUF 19
7. Cameron Heyward • PIT 18
Michael Thomas • NOR 18
9. Dont'a Hightower • NWE 17
Patrick Mahomes • KAN 17
Ryan Ramczyk • NOR 17
10 (tie) Mitchell Schwartz * KAN 16

Yes our old friend Peters is 2 (tie). Sir Patrick led the league last year at 22. And if he played 16 games he’d be AV 19. But let’s talk Schwartz.



Mitch The Bitch signed a 5/$33m FA contract after four years with the Cleveland Clowns. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...cash-earnings/


His AV by year, Chiefs in bold:
7
5
6
6
10
14
20!
16


Last year he was the #2 most valuable player in AV behind Sir Pat. I don’t know how to evaluate OL but if this is close to accurate he’s the best FA signing ever and an unsung hero of the offense and keeping Sir Pat healthy.
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Old 01-09-2020, 04:40 PM   #31
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Nope, aquired in a trade. For a 3rd rounder if I recall correctly.
3rd round pick? Man, what a steal.
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:10 PM   #32
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Nope, aquired in a trade. For a 3rd rounder if I recall correctly.
Iirc, Joe Horn was banging Roafs wife and he needed to get out of New Orleans.

I’ve never seen a better tackle, maybe Ogden.
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Old 01-12-2023, 11:41 AM   #33
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Saint Patrick 19
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Creed, Kelce 12
Jones 11
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Bolton 8, Stank Clark 7, Gay Sneed 6, Mcduffie 3 (?)


Nfl wide
Allen Hurts 20
Patrick 19
Burrow 17
AJ Brown, Fields, Goff 16
Tyreek 15
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Old 01-12-2023, 12:21 PM   #34
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For 2022:

Saint Patrick 19
Brown 14
Creed, Kelce 12
Jones 11
Thuney 10


Bolton 8, Stank Clark 7, Gay Sneed 6, Mcduffie 3 (?)


Nfl wide
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Patrick 19
Burrow 17
AJ Brown, Fields, Goff 16
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Wow, 3 years later and still no one cares about your made up rankings
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Old 01-12-2023, 12:47 PM   #36
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Saw this in the career earnings column. Holy bejezus.

Tom Brady TB,- QB$332,962,392
Aaron Rodgers GB,- QB$305,608,010
Matthew Stafford LAR,- QB$300,806,037
Matt Ryan IND, QB-$291,713,631
Russell Wilson DEN, QB- $238,362,520

As long as Brady has played compared to Stafford and Ryan he has been pretty cheap overall. Matt Ryan has made almost $300MM? Stafford has made $300MM?
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Old 01-12-2023, 12:53 PM   #37
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Another dumbass PB football thread. Stick to hating immigrants my boy
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Saw this in the career earnings column. Holy bejezus.

Tom Brady TB,- QB$332,962,392
Aaron Rodgers GB,- QB$305,608,010
Matthew Stafford LAR,- QB$300,806,037
Matt Ryan IND, QB-$291,713,631
Russell Wilson DEN, QB- $238,362,520

As long as Brady has played compared to Stafford and Ryan he has been pretty cheap overall. Matt Ryan has made almost $300MM? Stafford has made $300MM?
Wanna say Stafford and Ryan came into the NFL right before rookie salary cap hit. Those Top 5 rookie QBs made more than most NFL starters with zero snaps played haha
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Brown 14
Creed, Kelce 12
Jones 11
Thuney 10
Patrick's best season since 2018.

Kelce's third best.
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Saw this in the career earnings column. Holy bejezus.

Tom Brady TB,- QB$332,962,392
Aaron Rodgers GB,- QB$305,608,010
Matthew Stafford LAR,- QB$300,806,037
Matt Ryan IND, QB-$291,713,631
Russell Wilson DEN, QB- $238,362,520

As long as Brady has played compared to Stafford and Ryan he has been pretty cheap overall. Matt Ryan has made almost $300MM? Stafford has made $300MM?
WOW I was curious about world wide total earnings(on and off field) and daaang Soccor players get paid! Messi($75M on field and $55M off field) for $130M last year. Ronaldo is close at a total of $115. NBA players are next with Lebron having about half as much on court earings with $41M BUT a huge $80M in off court!

The top NFL player is Brady at #9 overall with $84M total ($32M on and $52M off).
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Patrick's best season since 2018.

Kelce's third best.
Yep. And apparently the system loves Brown, don’t have paywall access to his PFF rating
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Yep. And apparently the system loves Brown, don’t have paywall access to his PFF rating
He ended up ranked in the top 20 among OTs, top 15 among guys who were mostly healthy and top 10 among LTs.

Very VERY comparable season to Taylor Decker who's been the guy I've been citing as a fair contractual comparison him for awhile now. Unfortunately he and his agent will disagree.

In which case I'd be looking another direction.

OBJ is ultimately a fine player. He's very Taylor Deckerish. Which, when accounting for salary cap increases, should make him 'worth' about $17-18 million/season. I'd be content signing him for that.

But he won't take it so the options are to overpay by probably about 15-20% or look elsewhere. I think I'd go with the latter.
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He ended up ranked in the top 20 among OTs, top 15 among guys who were mostly healthy and top 10 among LTs.

Very VERY comparable season to Taylor Decker who's been the guy I've been citing as a fair contractual comparison him for awhile now. Unfortunately he and his agent will disagree.

In which case I'd be looking another direction.

OBJ is ultimately a fine player. He's very Taylor Deckerish. Which, when accounting for salary cap increases, should make him 'worth' about $17-18 million/season. I'd be content signing him for that.

But he won't take it so the options are to overpay by probably about 15-20% or look elsewhere. I think I'd go with the latter.
I'm afraid Veach will select the former. If nothing else that leaves one less hole to fill for this offseason. RT is a glaring weakness and they IMO will draft for that and pay Brown.
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I'm afraid Veach will select the former. If nothing else that leaves one less hole to fill for this offseason. RT is a glaring weakness and they IMO will draft for that and pay Brown.
It's the path of least resistance.

Overpaying your LT by 20% may hurt your ability to supplement the roster somewhere, but it's unlikely to sabotage your season.

Whereas swinging and missing on a replacement in the draft or FA could undermine the whole damn thing.

The former isn't the sort of thing that would ever get a GM fired. The latter sure could.

I suspect you're right that Veach won't take that kind of gamble. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
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It's the path of least resistance.

Overpaying your LT by 20% may hurt your ability to supplement the roster somewhere, but it's unlikely to sabotage your season.

Whereas swinging and missing on a replacement in the draft or FA could undermine the whole damn thing.

The former isn't the sort of thing that would ever get a GM fired. The latter sure could.

I suspect you're right that Veach won't take that kind of gamble. I don't like it, but it is what it is.
So this is what I keep coming back to if you decide to go a different direction.

There's a chance you end up with....what....Lucas Niang playing LT? I mean, that could happen, right?
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