Chris Jones, PFF DPOY

[InChiefsHeaven]

Wait, I thought PFF sucked though...

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven

Wait, I thought PFF sucked though...

Its not great with positions that have more variables and get wonky with there weird fake stats, but they are pretty good with d line, pass rushers, and o line.

[notorious]

[Cosmos]

Dang..sounds expensive.

2nd place would have been better.

[RunKC]

He’s great but let’s be honest here…Nick Bosa is the best defensive player in football

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RunKC

He’s great but let’s be honest here…Nick Bosa is the best defensive player in football

Nick Bosa is a stud, but there are a lot more Nick Bosa type players, than there are Chris Jones types. Interior pass rushers are more valuable and disruptive than Nick Bosa type edge rushers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Nick Bosa is a stud, but there are a lot more Nick Bosa type players, than there are Chris Jones types. Interior pass rushers are more valuable and disruptive than Nick Bosa type edge rushers.

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

Also getting an elite pass rush from the inside is more valuable than an outside rush. An interior guy collapses the pocket and leaves the QB pretty vulnerable.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

History doesn't mean much in a snapshot, copycat league, though.

I mean we'd immediately call Reggie White more like Bosa but I think Reggie would almost certainly be a DT in this era. Deacon Jones likely would've been. Hell, Chris Doleman probably would've been. You can really kinda look at John Randle as the 'transition point'. In the mid 90s, Randle moved from end to the interior. And it was less that Randle changed - the game did.

Before that, if you could rush the passer, they put you on the edge because they needed wider bodies for the interior to clog the run. And the quick passing game wasn't nearly as much a thing so edge rushers could get there in time if they did their job. In the modern era, a lot of those edge rushers from the 70s, 80s and even 90s would be moved inside, IMO. On the flipside, take Chris Jones and put him in 1984 and I am almost positive he'd be playing DE.

It's just a different league than its ever been.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

Are we sure Parsons is in that league with those guys?

The best man in my wedding/best friend has always been a huge Cowboy fan so I've always been a secondary follower of them. He's really disappeared down the stretch here for them. I dunno if he's hurt or what and I'd obviously take the guy but 1.5 sacks over the last 6 games coming down the stretch here.....I dunno.

Looking at it from 10000 feet though, shit he's a 13 sack a year guy. Yeah, he's there. I'm wrong.

Carry on.

[scho63]

NOW GO GET SACKS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by scho63

NOW GO GET SACKS IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!

i know I'm a homer, but I really think CJ is going to have himself a great playoff run this year. i think this is finally the year. There's several reasons, some of them have to do with matchups, but really I think it's all about his supporting cast. i think this is probably the best supporting cast he's ever had on the DL, and I think that's going to make the difference. He's going to steamroll fools next weekend.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

i know I'm a homer, but I really think CJ is going to have himself a great playoff run this year. i think this is finally the year. There's several reasons, some of them have to do with matchups, but really I think it's all about his supporting cast. i think this is probably the best supporting cast he's ever had on the DL, and I think that's going to make the difference. He's going to steamroll fools next weekend.

It’s incentive to max his deal so he’ll play out. If he doesn’t then you can more easily persuade yourself into a tag and trade scenario.

[Rasputin]

At mid season I said Chris Jones was having himself a HOF kind of year.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Wow, I'm surprised but I'm not. The man deserves it. Hopefully the AP panel sees it the same way.