Chris Jones, PFF DPOY

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Nick Bosa is a stud, but there are a lot more Nick Bosa type players, than there are Chris Jones types. Interior pass rushers are more valuable and disruptive than Nick Bosa type edge rushers.

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

Also getting an elite pass rush from the inside is more valuable than an outside rush. An interior guy collapses the pocket and leaves the QB pretty vulnerable.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I mean in history. There aren't near the amount of elite pass rushing D Tackles as there are elite edge rushers.

History doesn't mean much in a snapshot, copycat league, though.

I mean we'd immediately call Reggie White more like Bosa but I think Reggie would almost certainly be a DT in this era. Deacon Jones likely would've been. Hell, Chris Doleman probably would've been. You can really kinda look at John Randle as the 'transition point'. In the mid 90s, Randle moved from end to the interior. And it was less that Randle changed - the game did.

Before that, if you could rush the passer, they put you on the edge because they needed wider bodies for the interior to clog the run. And the quick passing game wasn't nearly as much a thing so edge rushers could get there in time if they did their job. In the modern era, a lot of those edge rushers from the 70s, 80s and even 90s would be moved inside, IMO. On the flipside, take Chris Jones and put him in 1984 and I am almost positive he'd be playing DE.

It's just a different league than its ever been.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

History doesn't mean much in a snapshot, copycat league, though.

I mean we'd immediately call Reggie White more like Bosa but I think Reggie would almost certainly be a DT in this era. Deacon Jones likely would've been. Hell, Chris Doleman probably would've been. You can really kinda look at John Randle as the 'transition point'. In the mid 90s, Randle moved from end to the interior. And it was less that Randle changed - the game did.

Before that, if you could rush the passer, they put you on the edge because they needed wider bodies for the interior to clog the run. And the quick passing game wasn't nearly as much a thing so edge rushers could get there in time if they did their job. In the modern era, a lot of those edge rushers from the 70s, 80s and even 90s would be moved inside, IMO. On the flipside, take Chris Jones and put him in 1984 and I am almost positive he'd be playing DE.

It's just a different league than its ever been.

Reggie would be whatever he wanted to on the DL, that man would be a HOFer at any position on the DL no matter the alignment

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Are there, though? Because a "Nick Bosa type player" and a "Brian Burns type player" are not the same type player.

I mean you've got Bosa/Garrett/Parsons in that tier. Maybe you put Crosby in there as well.

At DT you have Donald, Jones, Dexter Lawrence really involves in this discussion at this point and I'd say Quinnen Williams probably does as well.

I think when you're talking the elite of the elite, you're looking 4 deep at both positions. And when you start to get to the Hendrickson, Sweat, Allen, Reddick sorts of players at DE you can counter that with Heyward, Buckner, Simmons, Allen at DT.

They're pretty comparable in terms of scarcity/tiers, IMO.

Are we sure Parsons is in that league with those guys?

The best man in my wedding/best friend has always been a huge Cowboy fan so I've always been a secondary follower of them. He's really disappeared down the stretch here for them. I dunno if he's hurt or what and I'd obviously take the guy but 1.5 sacks over the last 6 games coming down the stretch here.....I dunno.

Looking at it from 10000 feet though, shit he's a 13 sack a year guy. Yeah, he's there. I'm wrong.

Carry on.