Nate Taylor with a lot of middle-to-big-sized news yesterday.

[Megatron96]

Just going to say one last thing about Skyy before the playoffs begin: Pat flat missed him on that seam route. Mahomes dirts that ball 3 feet behind Skyy; if Patrick had taken a quarter of a second to reset his feet, so he could get any hip into that throw, and hits Skyy with anything that lets him keep running, Skyy goes for a big yardage play, maybe even a TD. And maybe he'd change a couple more minds around here.

He was that wide open, and I'm not sure if the safety would be able to catch him from where he appeared to be.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Just going to say one last thing about Skyy before the playoffs begin: Pat flat missed him on that seam route. Mahomes dirts that ball 3 feet behind Skyy; if Patrick had taken a quarter of a second to reset his feet, so he could get any hip into that throw, and hits Skyy with anything that lets him keep running, Skyy goes for a big yardage play, maybe even a TD. And maybe he'd change a couple more minds around here.

He was that wide open, and I'm not sure if the safety would be able to catch him from where he appeared to be.

Which game?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Which game?

The last one vs. LVR.

Thing is, I'm going thru my YT history to find the highlight clip I was watching an hour ago, and now I can't find the thing. Great.

Lol, I've been rewatching YT videos for like an hour now, trying to find that one, and of course no dice. I am not staying up all night looking for that thing. I'll try again tomorrow.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The last one vs. LVR.

Thing is, I'm going thru my YT history to find the highlight clip I was watching an hour ago, and now I can't find the thing. Great.

Lol, I've been rewatching YT videos for like an hour now, trying to find that one, and of course no dice. I am not staying up all night looking for that thing. I'll try again tomorrow.

Denver

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by O.city

Denver

Was it DEN? Maybe I can find it now. Thx.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The last one vs. LVR.

Thing is, I'm going thru my YT history to find the highlight clip I was watching an hour ago, and now I can't find the thing. Great.

Lol, I've been rewatching YT videos for like an hour now, trying to find that one, and of course no dice. I am not staying up all night looking for that thing. I'll try again tomorrow.

Moore was inactive for LVR.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by O.city

Denver

Lol, yep, you were right. And you can find it in one of the clips in this thread. Man, my memory is getting weird. Thx for the heads up.

Originally Posted by penguinz

Moore was inactive for LVR.

Yeah, I forgot. It was in the DEN game.

slightly more than halfway through the clip. Chiefs are lined up on the left hash, Pat starts the play reading to the left, comes right and sees Skyy running wide open right down the numbers on the right, and just doesn't reset his feet. he tries to just muscle it out there and ends up dirting it behind Skyy.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1610822859211042816
there's a safety high, so Skyy probably doesn't score, but it's a big gainer, 20+ yds. Just a bad pass.

Somewhere there’s another clip of this play, with audio, and it’s zoomed in, so you get a little better look. If I can locate it, I’ll post that one as well.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Moore was inactive for LVR.

It was the Denver game I think.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The last one vs. LVR.

Thing is, I'm going thru my YT history to find the highlight clip I was watching an hour ago, and now I can't find the thing. Great.

Lol, I've been rewatching YT videos for like an hour now, trying to find that one, and of course no dice. I am not staying up all night looking for that thing. I'll try again tomorrow.

I believe the Mahomes thread (one of them anyway) has that throw in there when talking about Mahomes bad footwork. I disagreed with Lane's conclusion that it was bad footwork that led to a bad throw.

But there are multiple angles of the throw. It actually ended up being a drop because even with the less than ideal placement, it should've been caught for a first down.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I believe the Mahomes thread (one of them anyway) has that throw in there when talking about Mahomes bad footwork. I disagreed with Lane's conclusion that it was bad footwork that led to a bad throw.

But there are multiple angles of the throw. It actually ended up being a drop because even with the less than ideal placement, it should've been caught for a first down.

lol, what? What happened to "he's running full speed downfield; you can't expect him to stop and come back for the ball?" Come on now, bud.

Yeah, the angle I remember was from behind the LoS, kind of zoomed in a bit; you get a pretty good look at Mahomes and his stance. He's definitely pointed slightly to his left, and you can see pretty clearly when he turns his head back to the right and recognizes that Skyy is wide open; he never resets and just tries to flick it out there, even though there's no pressure on him.

But when your stance is pointed to the left and you try to throw to the right, your hips are kind of locked in place; you can't really follow through with the throw. You maybe could get some torque maybe if you lift off your right foot, but he doesn't do that. He's basically flat-footed there.

I think he just got in a hurry. But regardless it's a pretty poor throw, well behind Skyy. And just by resetting his feet that's a really easy throw for big yardage.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

lol, what? What happened to "he's running full speed downfield; you can't expect him to stop and come back for the ball?" Come on now, bud.

Yeah, the angle I remember was from behind the LoS, kind of zoomed in a bit; you get a pretty good look at Mahomes and his stance. He's definitely pointed slightly to his left, and you can see pretty clearly when he turns his head back to the right and recognizes that Skyy is wide open; he never resets and just tries to flick it out there, even though there's no pressure on him.

But when your stance is pointed to the left and you try to throw to the right, your hips are kind of locked in place; you can't really follow through with the throw. You maybe could get some torque maybe if you lift off your right foot, but he doesn't do that. He's basically flat-footed there.

I think he just got in a hurry. But regardless it's a pretty poor throw, well behind Skyy. And just by resetting his feet that's a really easy throw for big yardage.

But Moore wasn't running downfield - he was running a crosser. Instead of leading him, he threw it into his body.

And yes, you and I reached the same conclusion on the 'why' of it, just for slightly different reasons. I think he mis-read the safety. Maybe he got impatient and didn't wait another half a heartbeat for the safety to commit and just guessed at what he was going to do. But in the end my conclusion was that it wasn't mechanics that led to the throw but rather just simple ol' bad aim.

EDIT: Here's the entire exchange with O.City (starts a little before this)

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...5#post16706065

And where we pretty much completely align:

Look how locked up his hips are on that throw; the rear angle shows it perfectly. He's 'hopping' with that back foot because he's trying to bring his hips 'around' that front leg. He simply can't drive that ball to his left because he aimed his front foot to the right. So the only way to get that throw left is to lift his back foot and allow his hips to sort of free spin over his front leg. Effectively he's using his plant leg as a last ditch effort to throw his shoulders to the left and drive the ball over there. If he keeps that back foot planted, there's just no chance to get his hips around and get that ball where it should've been (that would've yielded the late off scenario and a potential interception). The 'skip' throwing mechanics were was a reaction to bad initial aim and his body attempting to compensate for it, IMO.

And if I'm guessing why Mahomes would've assumed Moore would sit there - he just mis-read the safety. Or thought he was being baited so his initial plan was to try to throw it short into a zone for a 1st down without putting a hospital ball out there. He realized as he was throwing it that the S had sold out and was trying to 'fix the glitch'.

But ultimately it was still a ball Moore should've caught.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But Moore wasn't running downfield - he was running a crosser. Instead of leading him, he threw it into his body.

And yes, you and I reached the same conclusion on the 'why' of it, just for slightly different reasons. I think he mis-read the safety. Maybe he got impatient and didn't wait another half a heartbeat for the safety to commit and just guessed at what he was going to do. But in the end my conclusion was that it wasn't mechanics that led to the throw but rather just simple ol' bad aim.

EDIT: Here's the entire exchange with O.City (starts a little before this)

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...5#post16706065

And where we pretty much completely align:



But ultimately it was still a ball Moore should've caught.

It's not really a crosser. I think Kurt Warner calls it a 'feature' route or something. Basically, Skyy is wide at the snap and runs a slight angle inside until he hits the numbers and starts a go route.

And I think you're right about what was going on his Pat's head; I think he read across from left to right, saw Skyy and hurried the throw because he misread the safety.

But that's a bad throw, I don't think there's any argument about that. It was literally low and away and behind the receiver, mostly because his hips are bladed to his left and he tries to make that throw flat-footed. Try that some time, it's really hard to get anything on the ball that way and accuracy is a problem. not saying Pat can't make that throw, but in this case he clearly missed.

And it was unnecessarily so; there wasn't any pressure in that moment, and Pat easily could've reset his feet in a fraction of a second and made a much more accurate throw. And if he had, Skyy was off to the races.