Chiefs 3rd/4th and 1 Conversions - Page 2

Shoes · 01-31-2023, 06:18 PM

A lot was made in Sunday's AFC Championship game about the Chiefs inability to convert in 3rd & 1 and 4th & 1 scenarios. If I remember correctly Romo said the Chiefs are hovering around 50% in conversion percentage in these short yardage situations. The Chiefs are 2nd in the NFL at 48.7% in all 3rd down scenarios which makes it seem bizarre that Mahomes & company are not converting 3rd/4th and short with more regularity.

So I turn to the prolific armchair offensive coordinators of Chiefsplanet to answer these questions:

1. Why do you think the Chiefs struggle in these situations?
2. Any adjustments you would make vs Philly in the Superbowl?
3. Gun to your head, 4th & 1 in the Superbowl, what are you dialing up?

**chiefforlife** · 01-31-2023, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

They need to treat 3rd and 1 like 3rd and 8.

This is what Ive been saying for the last 6 weeks. We are amazing on third and long but for whatever reason can NOT get 1 yard. So just throw out those 3rd and 1 plays, call the 3rd and 8!

jerryaldini · 01-31-2023, 07:34 PM

Been trying to understand why Joe, Creed and Trey can't just get a push on these plays.

Oxford · 01-31-2023, 10:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO8y3YJylXc
This is what you run

Hammock Parties · 01-31-2023, 10:29 PM

100% time to sneak it now, and use Saunders to shove Mahomes forward.

If it's 4th and goal from the one foot line, I want Mahomes in the middle of an entire mass of humans sacrificing his body, and SO DOES HE!

vonBobo · 01-31-2023, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

I sort of cringe when we get first and goal inside the 10 its like...hey man can you put it between the 10 and the 20 yard line for me I really like that zone.

Where is Priest Holmes when you need him?

You mean Willie Roaf.

Couch-Potato · 02-01-2023, 07:39 AM

We could use a big back that does these goal line pushes and can block on passing downs.

**Bearcat** · 02-01-2023, 07:49 AM

Try to draw an offsides, take the delay of game, then run your 3rd & 6 offense.

Agreed with running your normal offense.

ARROW2 · 02-01-2023, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RubberSponge

3rd/4th down has been an issue all year on both sides of the ball.

Defense is 30th is RZ scoring %, 24th in 4D conv %. Will have to clean that up a bit with the Eagles.

Stats mean nothing now. What were we Sunday? WE WON!

wheeler08 · 02-01-2023, 08:00 AM

I said during the game, 3rd/4th down and 1, offense and defense is our kryptonite

wheeler08 · 02-01-2023, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

We could use a big back that does these goal line pushes and can block on passing downs.

They tried with ROJO. He came into the game before McKinnon did.

dtrain · 02-01-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

Why don’t we just come out in our normal offense? So many options and it will spread the defense out… Never understood why offenses feel the need to pack all 22 in a little area..

If we line up in a normal formation it open up gaps to run thru vs everyone bunched together

lcarus · 02-01-2023, 08:08 AM

If we don't wanna use Mahomes to sneak, fine. Use Blake Bell. He's good at the sneak. He did it a lot at OU.

Warrick · 02-01-2023, 08:10 AM

I've seen so many times when Mahomes could just walk into the end zone himself instead of passing the ball. You don't even need to do your traditional QB sneak, just a variation or most likely a option play where Mahomes keeps it and gets the first down himself. Just let Mahomes dial his favorite play up while running a normal offense depending on what he sees on the line of scrimmage. More likely than not he's going to want to pick up that first down himself, when healthy of course.

Warrick · 02-01-2023, 08:36 AM

Also they need to stop telegraphing their hand and give your RBs more chances for success by mixing it up more on first down... It doesn't have to be a run almost every first down. Throw a screen or something different... I'd like to see more play action pass in these scenarios... and have your RB run it on second and/or third down. JMO

St. Patty's Fire · 02-01-2023, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

If we don't wanna use Mahomes to sneak, fine. Use Blake Bell. He's good at the sneak. He did it a lot at OU.

we’ve tried that and it never works

01-31-2023, 06:18 PM
Shoes Veteran Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2969690	3rd/4th and 1 Conversions A lot was made in Sunday's AFC Championship game about the Chiefs inability to convert in 3rd & 1 and 4th & 1 scenarios. If I remember correctly Romo said the Chiefs are hovering around 50% in conversion percentage in these short yardage situations. The Chiefs are 2nd in the NFL at 48.7% in all 3rd down scenarios which makes it seem bizarre that Mahomes & company are not converting 3rd/4th and short with more regularity. So I turn to the prolific armchair offensive coordinators of Chiefsplanet to answer these questions: 1. Why do you think the Chiefs struggle in these situations? 2. Any adjustments you would make vs Philly in the Superbowl? 3. Gun to your head, 4th & 1 in the Superbowl, what are you dialing up?
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01-31-2023, 10:29 PM	#19
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $900478	100% time to sneak it now, and use Saunders to shove Mahomes forward. If it's 4th and goal from the one foot line, I want Mahomes in the middle of an entire mass of humans sacrificing his body, and SO DOES HE! __________________ Chiefs game films
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Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $213065	We could use a big back that does these goal line pushes and can block on passing downs.
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02-01-2023, 07:49 AM	#22
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $-975069	Try to draw an offsides, take the delay of game, then run your 3rd & 6 offense. Agreed with running your normal offense. __________________
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02-01-2023, 08:08 AM	#27
lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1849887	If we don't wanna use Mahomes to sneak, fine. Use Blake Bell. He's good at the sneak. He did it a lot at OU.
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02-01-2023, 08:10 AM	#28
Warrick Starter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $7734907	I've seen so many times when Mahomes could just walk into the end zone himself instead of passing the ball. You don't even need to do your traditional QB sneak, just a variation or most likely a option play where Mahomes keeps it and gets the first down himself. Just let Mahomes dial his favorite play up while running a normal offense depending on what he sees on the line of scrimmage. More likely than not he's going to want to pick up that first down himself, when healthy of course.
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02-01-2023, 08:36 AM	#29
Warrick Starter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $7734907	Also they need to stop telegraphing their hand and give your RBs more chances for success by mixing it up more on first down... It doesn't have to be a run almost every first down. Throw a screen or something different... I'd like to see more play action pass in these scenarios... and have your RB run it on second and/or third down. JMO
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