Other Sports ***Official 2022-2023 NBA Thread*** - Page 36

**dirk digler** · 10-18-2022, 04:02 PM

Can't believe the regular season starts tonight. Just seemed like the Finals ended a couple weeks ago.

Philly vs Celtics: 6:30PM CST TNT

GSW vs Lakers: 9:00PM CST TNT

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Nine more missed field goal attempt titles
Two more easy rings
One more MVP vs LeBron’s stolen MVPs
3 stealing titles against people who couldn’t dribble with both hands + hand check
4 more defensive teams in the guard category vs LeBron in the forward category
— LeSage (@ChampionBron) February 8, 2023

It's funny how Lebron Stans act like trolls (Barry) and simultaneously think they're making good arguments.

But "faulty logic", right?

**dirk digler** · 02-08-2023, 03:52 PM

Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush

The Bulls and Warriors were great teams almost entirely built via the draft, as opposed to established stars agreeing to go to the same team at the same time. Huge difference.

It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.

Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

It's funny how Lebron Stans act like trolls (Barry) and simultaneously think they're making good arguments.

But "faulty logic", right?

Using MVPs as an argument when LeBron should have won about 10 of them is probably even more faulty logic than the rings stuff, I'd agree.

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs.

KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority.

I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes.

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Using MVPs as an argument when LeBron should have won about 10 of them is probably even more faulty logic than the rings stuff, I'd agree.

Ok so take those out:

Nine more scoring titles.
Two more rings
Two more Finals MVPs
One more DPOY award
3 more Steals titles
Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams

Still a HOF career gap. Sorry. Jordan did more with less.

Quality >>> Quantity

Peak >>> Longevity

**New World Order** · 02-08-2023, 03:59 PM

Just take the L here KCC and enjoy his scoring achievement

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Nine more scoring titles.

LeBron was a facilitator, never a scorer. He could have averaged 40+ a game easily if he shot as much as MJ did.

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Two more rings
Two more Finals MVPs

Faulty rings logic. Been over this.

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One more DPOY award

I love Marc Gasol for his career in Memphis and for winning a title for my Raptors, but LeBron should have won the 2013 DPOY over him.

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Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams

Easier to make those teams as a guard than a forward.

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Quality >>> Quantity

Peak >>> Longevity

Even if MJ's peak was better than LeBron's (it wasn't), LeBron's body of work over his entire career destroys him.

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes.

Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.

It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.

But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable.

AdolfOliverBush · 02-08-2023, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.

Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft.

MJ won three rings without Rodman, and Kukoc is in the HOF for what he did in Europe. Jordan made Pippen what he was.

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Just take the L here KCC and enjoy his scoring achievement

Take the L over MJ fans desperately grasping at straws using rings logic and debatable peak levels to argue that LeBron's career wasn't better than MJ's? Nah.

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 04:03 PM

"Hey if we completely ignore Jordan's dominance and winning in a team sport Lebron's clearly #1"

KC_Connection · 02-08-2023, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.

It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.

But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable.

The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.

And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close.

staylor26 · 02-08-2023, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection

The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.

And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close.

If Mahomes had more championships (among other things) than Brady in that time span, it wouldn't be a silly argument you ****ing reerun.

Again, MJ did more with less.

Nice self own though.

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