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Chiefnj2 · 02-14-2023, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I understand this argument, but unless you can tell me that there was a comparable hold earlier in the game that the refs saw clearly and deliberately chose not to flag, how does one argue that they hadn't been calling that all game? It's not like the refs are omnipotent.

Basic hand-fighting in the secondary is not equivalent to a clear tug of the jersey. My guess is if Bradbury only checked JuJu with his hands it wouldn't have been called.

On the earlier pass to JuJu where there was contact, a Philly defender grabs MVS's jersey much worse than what happened at the end of the game. That's one that stood out to me.

Sassy Squatch · 02-14-2023, 01:07 PM

Yeah. Somebody on the Chiefs probably got up in their ass about it so they'd call it if it happened again.

staylor26 · 02-14-2023, 01:08 PM

And missing a call earlier in the game doesn't mean you double down and not call it late in the game because you didn't earlier.

How exactly would that be fair to the Chiefs?

Oh that's right, nobody gives a **** about the Chiefs getting ****ed. Just don't want to see them win.

tyecopeland · 02-14-2023, 01:08 PM

Yes the throw was out of jujus reach. Yes, if Mahomes throws that same pass to the same spot and the hold didn't happen it probably still goes incomplete. But here's where that logic breaks down.

If juju doesn't get held, he comes out of that break wide open. Bradberry helps himself keep position as much as he hinders juju. And so juju will have yards of separation and Mahomes can just flip that ball to the front pylon for an easy td. Where the ball ended up is irrelevant to a defensive holding call. And that is what most of the analysts I've seen arguing against the call being made are missing.

Also, the ones saying, did they call any earlier in the game? The one juju complains about a no call would have been PI and wasn't on a break. And then funny enough all the other no call replays they used were eagles players getting away with could have been calls. Never did they show any chiefs players committing infractions that could have been penalties.

Sassy Squatch · 02-14-2023, 01:12 PM

Mahomes probably intentionally sailed it so JuJu couldn't catch it. He's incredibly smart and was going for the defensive holding since a first down is infinitely more valuable than a Touchdown in that scenario. He's up and pointing right after getting hit.

Wouldn't surprise me if JuJu was instructed to do what he did in the case of a blatant hold. Abandon the route and get your ass into the end zone to sell the hold.

staylor26 · 02-14-2023, 01:29 PM

The ball being uncatchable is beyond irrelevant considering the call was holding, not PI.

ghak99 · 02-14-2023, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

And missing a call earlier in the game doesn't mean you double down and not call it late in the game because you didn't earlier.

How exactly would that be fair to the Chiefs?

Oh that's right, nobody gives a **** about the Chiefs getting ****ed. Just don't want to see them win.

I think people are overlooking what happens in games all the time.

Q1 a DB tests the ref with a hip hook on a WR and gets away with it. Q2 the DB tests the ref on a WR a little more and gets away with it. Q3 the DB tugs the jersey and gets away with it but the ref makes a comment or makes eye contact after the WR throws his hands up and trash talks. It's the "it's close, watch it, but play ball boys". Q4, with the game on the line, the DB grabbed a hand full after knowing he's toast. The flag needs thrown either way, but 1+2+3 means the flag absolutely gets thrown.

scho63 · 02-14-2023, 01:48 PM

I rewatched the game last night and rewound it about 50 times to take a close look at things.

The Eagles got away with 5 blatant penalties:

1. Earlier hold on both Bradbury and another DB on the same play. (2 flags)
2. Jason Kelce was 4 yards downfield before a Hurts pass and he leveled McDuffie on the play when blocking (1 flag)
3. Jalen Hurts had a designed run to the left and linemen Maliata blocked Derrick Nnadi directly in the back, not even close (1 flag)
4. On the 30+/- punt return by the Eagles punt returner, the very first gunner blocker pushes our special teams guy 13 Johnson right in the back (1 penalty)
5. Lane Johnson had 2 false starts never called, one was so early it was horrible and Greg Olsen even joked about it. He had what looked like one more but he was perfectly timed and in slow mo it was not. (2 flags)

I tried to find any offensive holding on either team on the line and numerous times I thought it was, after a few replays it was not or I couldn't tell. Both Olines played damn clean.

Earlier one of the Chiefs looked like they got away with a DPI in the early third I think. It was Jaylen Williams from memory.

Our 3 penalties gave them 2 first downs, one on a long 3rd that they ran the clock to zero and Frank Clark jumped offsides and the second on 4th down near our goal line where Nnadi was drawn offsides.

The last was a false start that pushed us to a 2nd and 15 but not horrible.

The Eagles fans can all Cry Eagles Cry

scho63 · 02-14-2023, 01:52 PM

Also there were 18 slips on the field; 10 by Philly and 8 by the Chiefs. The painted parts of the field were worse than the non-painted.

I think the ground under the grass was too hard and the slick surface prevented any deep plants.

Imon Yourside · 02-14-2023, 01:54 PM

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golfindude · 02-14-2023, 01:56 PM

If ref does not call this penalty, it adversely affects the chiefs. If ref calls it, it adversely affect the Eagles. It was clearly a Eagles hold. Refs have to call it for the integrity of the game. There is no debating that. There's always someone who will argue just to argue.

**ChiTown** · 02-14-2023, 02:01 PM

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This guy has some great videos out there (a lot of TiKTok stuff). He's pretty funny.

Imon Yourside · 02-14-2023, 02:05 PM

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This guy has some great videos out there (a lot of TiKTok stuff). He's pretty funny.

Yup, I remember him doing all kinds of crazy pranks on youtube

**notorious** · 02-14-2023, 02:07 PM

Brass balls or no brains.

Take a pick.

Sassy Squatch · 02-14-2023, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

The ball being uncatchable is beyond irrelevant considering the call was holding, not PI.

I'm saying Mahomes INTENTIONALLY made it uncatchable for everyone, JuJu included. Once he saw the holding that's all he was interested in. TD there isn't near as valuable as a fresh set of downs from the penalty.

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02-14-2023, 01:07 PM	#362
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02-14-2023, 01:08 PM	#363
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1920960	And missing a call earlier in the game doesn't mean you double down and not call it late in the game because you didn't earlier. How exactly would that be fair to the Chiefs? Oh that's right, nobody gives a ** about the Chiefs getting **ed. Just don't want to see them win.
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02-14-2023, 01:08 PM	#364
tyecopeland Veteran Join Date: May 2019 Casino cash: $-749590	Yes the throw was out of jujus reach. Yes, if Mahomes throws that same pass to the same spot and the hold didn't happen it probably still goes incomplete. But here's where that logic breaks down. If juju doesn't get held, he comes out of that break wide open. Bradberry helps himself keep position as much as he hinders juju. And so juju will have yards of separation and Mahomes can just flip that ball to the front pylon for an easy td. Where the ball ended up is irrelevant to a defensive holding call. And that is what most of the analysts I've seen arguing against the call being made are missing. Also, the ones saying, did they call any earlier in the game? The one juju complains about a no call would have been PI and wasn't on a break. And then funny enough all the other no call replays they used were eagles players getting away with could have been calls. Never did they show any chiefs players committing infractions that could have been penalties. __________________
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02-14-2023, 01:12 PM	#365
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1250345	Mahomes probably intentionally sailed it so JuJu couldn't catch it. He's incredibly smart and was going for the defensive holding since a first down is infinitely more valuable than a Touchdown in that scenario. He's up and pointing right after getting hit. Wouldn't surprise me if JuJu was instructed to do what he did in the case of a blatant hold. Abandon the route and get your ass into the end zone to sell the hold.
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02-14-2023, 01:29 PM	#366
staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1920960	The ball being uncatchable is beyond irrelevant considering the call was holding, not PI.
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02-14-2023, 01:48 PM	#368
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-740000	I rewatched the game last night and rewound it about 50 times to take a close look at things. The Eagles got away with 5 blatant penalties: 1. Earlier hold on both Bradbury and another DB on the same play. (2 flags) 2. Jason Kelce was 4 yards downfield before a Hurts pass and he leveled McDuffie on the play when blocking (1 flag) 3. Jalen Hurts had a designed run to the left and linemen Maliata blocked Derrick Nnadi directly in the back, not even close (1 flag) 4. On the 30+/- punt return by the Eagles punt returner, the very first gunner blocker pushes our special teams guy 13 Johnson right in the back (1 penalty) 5. Lane Johnson had 2 false starts never called, one was so early it was horrible and Greg Olsen even joked about it. He had what looked like one more but he was perfectly timed and in slow mo it was not. (2 flags) I tried to find any offensive holding on either team on the line and numerous times I thought it was, after a few replays it was not or I couldn't tell. Both Olines played damn clean. Earlier one of the Chiefs looked like they got away with a DPI in the early third I think. It was Jaylen Williams from memory. Our 3 penalties gave them 2 first downs, one on a long 3rd that they ran the clock to zero and Frank Clark jumped offsides and the second on 4th down near our goal line where Nnadi was drawn offsides. The last was a false start that pushed us to a 2nd and 15 but not horrible. The Eagles fans can all Cry Eagles Cry __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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