Will Hunt & Veach try to make a splash at the draft? If so, what?

[Dante84]

I was thinking about this the other day: Brett joked about how Clark didn't let him use future resources last year because he wanted a first when we were hosting the draft.

Probably mostly in jest, but also probably a bit of truth as well.

So, we are set to have a huge ass party, in KC, at the same spot we had a Super Bowl parade just 2 months prior. The world will be zoomed in on KC.

Do we stay the normal course with our process (probably yes), or does Hunt want to get freaky with it? You know Brett is aggressive as ****, so if Clark gives him the greenlight.... what would that look like?

What's a crazy, dick-flop on the table type of move, if we were to make one?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure Paris is a slam dunk LT is he?

That's the thing... you're not getting a slam dunk at 6. Which you would kind of want to move jones.

You can probably get one of Myles Murphy/Tyree Wilson/Paris Johnson, Jr. there. Or pick between two of them.

That's not good enough by itself. You'd need more on top to spread the risk a little bit.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That's the thing... you're not getting a slam dunk at 6. Which you would kind of want to move jones.

You can probably get one of Myles Murphy/Tyree Wilson/Paris Johnson, Jr. there. Or pick between two of them.

That's not good enough by itself. You'd need more on top to spread the risk a little bit.

Myles Murphy scares me, he has some question marks that could make him a bust.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I think you'd have to consider it for 6 and 48, too. That's high compensation.

If you're getting into that range, you're not quite high enough to land Carter or Anderson unless one of them inexplicably falls.

It IS high enough to land Paris Johnson, Jr, though.

And if you're landing Paris Johnson, shoot... isn't the smart move to tag and trade Orlando Brown for what you can get this year?

I like playing with these scenarios as well, but sometimes I wonder why we're so cap conscious as fans. I want the most talented team possible, not the best financial situation for the owner. Of course I want long term cap success for our Chiefs, but with the way bonuses are structured now it feels like you can pay anyone you want if you're creative.

My point is... we just won the SB, we have the #1 roster in the league, why move key pieces of that team at all? Shouldn't we fans be pounding the table harder to keep our current roster in tact? Paris is a top rated LT in this draft, and here we are questioning if he's a sure thing. We already know C Jones and/or OBJ are league leading quality. You'd for certain have to give me more than a 1-to-1 trade for a cheaper league hopeful in order for me to want to move on from one of them. The Tyreek trade at least gave us multiple shots at replacing him.

We already have 11-12 picks in this draft, that's enough ammo for Veach to Veach without moving top line talent from our current championship roster.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm not sure Paris is a slam dunk LT is he?

No draft pick is a slam dunk man. Look at you talking about trading for Chase Young as a case point.

Lance Zierlein doesn't like this OLine class that much at tackle if you go through and read his scouting reports and grades.

If I'm looking at how I personally value prospects and using his grades, only one really would carry 1st round value, one 2nd round value, and six with 3rd round value. That's not a ringing endorsement. Of course, that's not how they fit into the draft overall. Of his top 32 prospects, 4 are in it (Skoronski, B Jones, Johnson, and Bergeron). The next 32 have 3 more (Mauch, Wright, D Jones). The 3rd group only adds 1 more in Harrison. Eight prospects he'd see as 1st-3rd round prospects based on grades and 3 of them he sees more as guards. Eek. Not good from a solid grader of talent.

Here are his grades and position projections (ST = Swing Tackle/Reserve) I took some notes on:

Peter Skoronski, Northwestern - 6.73 - OG
Broderick Jones, Georgia - 6.44 - LT
Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 6.39 - LT
Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse - 6.39 - OG
Cody Mauch, North Dakota State - 6.36 - OG
Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 6.34 - RT
Dawand Jones, Ohio State - 6.32 - RT
Anton Harrison, Oklahoma - 6.27 - LT
Carter Warren, Pittsburgh - 6.16 - ST
Asim Richards, North Carolina - 6.15 - OG
Braeden Daniels, Utah - 6.14 - OG/ST
Tyler Steen, Alabama - 6.13 - ST
Richard Gouraige, Florida - 6.10 - OG
Jaelyn Duncan, Maryland - 6.00 - OG
Blake Freeland, BYU - 6.00 - OT
Warren McClendon Jr., Georgia - 6.00 - OG/ST
Connor Galvin, Baylor - 5.92 - OG/ST
Wanya Morris, Oklahoma - 5.91 - ST
Ryan Hayes, Michigan - 5.90 - OG/ST
John Ojukwu, Boise State - 5.89 - OG
Earl Bostick Jr., Kansas - 5.87 - ST
Dalton Wagner, Arkansas - 5.80 - RT
Mark Evans II, Arkansas Pine Bluff - 5.69
Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu, Oregon - 5.67 - OG

Grading scale:
8.0 The perfect prospect
7.3-7.5 Perennial All-Pro
7.0-7.1 Pro Bowl talent
6.7-6.9 Year 1 starter
6.5-6.6 Boom-or-bust potential
6.40-6.49 Will become good starter within two years
6.30-6.39 Will eventually be plus starter
6.20-6.29 Will eventually be average starter
6.10-6.19 Good backup with the potential to develop into starter
6.0-6.09 Traits or talent to be above-average backup
5.80-5.99 Average backup or special-teamer
5.60-5.69 Candidate for bottom of roster or practice squad
5.50-5.59 Priority undrafted free agent

[mnchiefsguy]

Depends on how you define splash-- I could see Veach trading up from 31 to somewhere like 20-25 if he sees a player fall that he really wants.

I don't think he will sacrifice their long term plan to trade up into the top ten just because the draft is here.

The team does not have a lot of holes (all teams have some in the salary cap era of the NFL), so spending some draft capital to move up 5-10 spots for someone he feels will make an impact seems reasonable to me.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

No draft pick is a slam dunk man. Look at you talking about trading for Chase Young as a case point.

Lance Zierlein doesn't like this OLine class that much at tackle if you go through and read his scouting reports and grades.

If I'm looking at how I personally value prospects and using his grades, only one really would carry 1st round value, one 2nd round value, and six with 3rd round value. That's not a ringing endorsement. Of course, that's not how they fit into the draft overall. Of his top 32 prospects, 4 are in it (Skoronski, B Jones, Johnson, and Bergeron). The next 32 have 3 more (Mauch, Wright, D Jones). The 3rd group only adds 1 more in Harrison. Eight prospects he'd see as 1st-3rd round prospects based on grades and 3 of them he sees more as guards. Eek. Not good from a solid grader of talent.

Here are his grades and position projections (ST = Swing Tackle/Reserve) I took some notes on:

Peter Skoronski, Northwestern - 6.73 - OG
Broderick Jones, Georgia - 6.44 - LT
Paris Johnson, Ohio State - 6.39 - LT
Matthew Bergeron, Syracuse - 6.39 - OG
Cody Mauch, North Dakota State - 6.36 - OG
Darnell Wright, Tennessee - 6.34 - RT
Dawand Jones, Ohio State - 6.32 - RT
Anton Harrison, Oklahoma - 6.27 - LT
Carter Warren, Pittsburgh - 6.16 - ST
Asim Richards, North Carolina - 6.15 - OG
Braeden Daniels, Utah - 6.14 - OG/ST
Tyler Steen, Alabama - 6.13 - ST
Richard Gouraige, Florida - 6.10 - OG
Jaelyn Duncan, Maryland - 6.00 - OG
Blake Freeland, BYU - 6.00 - OT
Warren McClendon Jr., Georgia - 6.00 - OG/ST
Connor Galvin, Baylor - 5.92 - OG/ST
Wanya Morris, Oklahoma - 5.91 - ST
Ryan Hayes, Michigan - 5.90 - OG/ST
John Ojukwu, Boise State - 5.89 - OG
Earl Bostick Jr., Kansas - 5.87 - ST
Dalton Wagner, Arkansas - 5.80 - RT
Mark Evans II, Arkansas Pine Bluff - 5.69
Malaesala Aumavae-Laulu, Oregon - 5.67 - OG

Grading scale:
8.0 The perfect prospect
7.3-7.5 Perennial All-Pro
7.0-7.1 Pro Bowl talent
6.7-6.9 Year 1 starter
6.5-6.6 Boom-or-bust potential
6.40-6.49 Will become good starter within two years
6.30-6.39 Will eventually be plus starter
6.20-6.29 Will eventually be average starter
6.10-6.19 Good backup with the potential to develop into starter
6.0-6.09 Traits or talent to be above-average backup
5.80-5.99 Average backup or special-teamer
5.60-5.69 Candidate for bottom of roster or practice squad
5.50-5.59 Priority undrafted free agent

I really don't think they're drafting an OT high this year. OBJ will probably be back.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

Depends on how you define splash-- I could see Veach trading up from 31 to somewhere like 20-25 if he sees a player fall that he really wants.

I don't think he will sacrifice their long term plan to trade up into the top ten just because the draft is here.

The team does not have a lot of holes (all teams have some in the salary cap era of the NFL), so spending some draft capital to move up 5-10 spots for someone he feels will make an impact seems reasonable to me.

We went from #29 to #21 (+8 spots) last year and I didn't consider that a splash, but also we had #30 so maybe that factored in.

I guess a "splash" in this scenario would be from #31 up to the 12-20 range.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I really don't think they're drafting an OT high this year. OBJ will probably be back.

Yeah, barring any major changes, I'm expecting OBJ, Frank, Chris and even JuJu back this upcoming year.

Sorta seems to have a "keep the gang together" vibe. Much different than last year when TM was chirping on twitter, Dirty Dan and Ben Neimann were spoiled milk, the mood was a little awkward/quiet with Tyreek....

Hell, I honestly think Wylie comes back, too, even if only to be a stop gap for a rookie we select.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Yeah, barring any major changes, I'm expecting OBJ, Frank, Chris and even JuJu back this upcoming year.

Sorta seems to have a "keep the gang together" vibe. Much different than last year when TM was chirping on twitter, Dirty Dan and Ben Neimann were spoiled milk, the mood was a little awkward/quiet with Tyreek....

Hell, I honestly think Wylie comes back, too, even if only to be a stop gap for a rookie we select.

This also feels different than the "Run it back" campaign after 2019. It almost felt like they didn't really think they needed to get better after that year.

[Titty Meat]

If they don't bring back JuJu it would be cheaper to trade a pick or picks for a veteran WR

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

If they don't bring back JuJu it would be cheaper to trade a pick or picks for a veteran WR

If no JuJu, then I’m even more open to the Hopkins trade (assuming it’s no higher than a 3rd at most).

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I really don't think they're drafting an OT high this year. OBJ will probably be back.

OBj might end up back but RT is still the worst problem on the team. The could, though still choose to bring Wylie back (ugh) or address it in FA.

I think Trey Pipkins is a guy starting to turn the corner and would be a swift, under-the-radar swipe from a division rival that should be relatively cheap and he's young enough yet at 27.

Jawaan Taylor is also a guy that looks to be turning the corner, is only 26, and would be a poach from a strong AFC foe. I'm worried more about his contract demands than I am about Pipkins though.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I like playing with these scenarios as well, but sometimes I wonder why we're so cap conscious as fans. I want the most talented team possible, not the best financial situation for the owner. Of course I want long term cap success for our Chiefs, but with the way bonuses are structured now it feels like you can pay anyone you want if you're creative.

My point is... we just won the SB, we have the #1 roster in the league, why move key pieces of that team at all? Shouldn't we fans be pounding the table harder to keep our current roster in tact? Paris is a top rated LT in this draft, and here we are questioning if he's a sure thing. We already know C Jones and/or OBJ are league leading quality. You'd for certain have to give me more than a 1-to-1 trade for a cheaper league hopeful in order for me to want to move on from one of them. The Tyreek trade at least gave us multiple shots at replacing him.

We already have 11-12 picks in this draft, that's enough ammo for Veach to Veach without moving top line talent from our current championship roster.

It's not about the owner at all. It's about the cap. The idea is that we've shown that Mahomes plus best 52=Super Bowl. What's the best way to get and maintain the best 52 under the cap? And without pushing cost forward, where you can end up screwing yourself in the future? I don't know about you, but I'm kind of digging this contending every single year thing.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Dante84

If no JuJu, then I’m even more open to the Hopkins trade (assuming it’s no higher than a 3rd at most).

oh, **** no.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Dante84

If no JuJu, then I’m even more open to the Hopkins trade (assuming it’s no higher than a 3rd at most).

I just don't see how he gets traded without a new deal and the guy is 30. Doesn't really seem like a Veach move tbh