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View Poll Results: Who is the fourth most important contributor to the 2022 championship
Nick Allegretti 0 0%
Nick Bolton 24 38.71%
Orlando Brown Jr. 1 1.61%
Michael Burton 0 0%
Deon Bush 0 0%
Harrison Butker 1 1.61%
Leo Chenal 0 0%
Geron Christian 0 0%
Frank Clark 2 3.23%
Jack Cochrane 0 0%
Bryan Cook 0 0%
Michael Danna 0 0%
Carlos Dunlap 0 0%
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 0 0%
Jody Fortson 0 0%
Willie Gay Jr. 0 0%
Noah Gray 0 0%
Mecole Hardman 0 0%
Darius Harris 0 0%
Malik Herring 0 0%
Creed Humphrey 1 1.61%
Nazeeh Johnson 1 1.61%
Ronald Jones II 0 0%
George Karlaftis III 0 0%
Chris Lammons 0 0%
Trent McDuffie 1 1.61%
Jerick McKinnon 5 8.06%
Skyy Moore 0 0%
Lucas Niang 0 0%
Derrick Nnadi 0 0%
Isiah Pacheco 11 17.74%
Justin Reid 0 0%
Khalen Saunders 0 0%
Trey Smith 1 1.61%
JuJu Smith-Schuster 1 1.61%
L'Jarius Sneed 8 12.90%
Taylor Stallworth 0 0%
Juan Thornhill 0 0%
Joe Thuney 2 3.23%
Kadarius Toney 2 3.23%
Tommy Townsend 0 0%
Marquez Valdes-Scantling 1 1.61%
Jaylen Watson 0 0%
Justin Watson 0 0%
Joshua Williams 0 0%
James Winchester 0 0%
Andrew Wylie 0 0%
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Old 02-28-2023, 09:39 PM  
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Championship: Rank the Contributors: Round 1

This is the first in a series of posts to celebrate the number of contributors to this TEAM and what they accomplished in the 2022 season. I'll run it as a ranking, but the main purpose is to celebrate the number and depth of contributors, and how passionately we argue for the contributions of the 20th, 30th, and 40th most important players on the path to the Lombardi. This ranking is for contributions during the 2022 season only.

Obviously the top three are:
Mahomes
Kelce
Jones

Let's start with the fourth most significant contributor, however you want to define it. Starting with players who played more than 5 games, but will add more once there is room in the 50 limit poll.
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Old 02-28-2023, 09:41 PM   #2
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Toss up for me... Bolton or Thuney.
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Old 02-28-2023, 09:53 PM   #3
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This is tough. McDuffie and Sneed are like blankets covering WRs but Pacheco was the work horse down the stretch. Lots of contributors.
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:05 PM   #4
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Yeah, I think there are good arguments for around 8 players in this slot, depending on how you value certain kinds of contributions. This version of the Chiefs a great team.
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:14 PM   #5
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:21 PM   #6
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:24 PM   #7
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Tough to single out anyone on the O-Line because they all played great.

Between Bolton and Pacheco for me.

Pacheco, which edges Bolton out of the top 4.
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Old 02-28-2023, 10:32 PM   #8
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It was a tossup for me between Thuney and Bolton but I went with Thuney. He was an absolute rock and allowed for quite a bit of subpar tackle play to happen this year. Creed ans Smith were also good but not quite to Thuney's dominance.
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I would like to have given some love to the OL, as I think they are somewhat overlooked because they don’t touch the ball— but the Chiefs don’t win a Championship with even slightly lesser players in that unit.

For about 5 seconds I even considered Butker; game wining kicks in AFC championship as well as the SB...despite his misses, when it’s time to be clutch— he’s clutch.

But I went with McKinnon. Running Back, receiver, pass-blocking; the man was a weapon and did everything very well. I’d argue that no other player did the multitude of things he did as good as he did.
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Yeah, I think there are good arguments for around 8 players in this slot, depending on how you value certain kinds of contributions. This version of the Chiefs a great team.
I voted for JU Ju, but would like to change it to Bolton.
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Old 03-01-2023, 08:35 AM   #13
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Torn between Bolton and Pacheco but having a need to see another hard-running back since we lost Hunt, had to go with Pacheco. Dude busted his ass for us all year and only got better each game.
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This is a very fun exercise.

When I think "who is the most important," I ask myself "who is the most irreplaceable on the team without things virtually collapsing." I don't think "best." The 4th best player on the team was probably Humphrey, but I don't think he's anywhere near the 4th most irreplaceable.

The players who even belong in this conversation:

Nick Bolton
Orlando Brown Jr.
Frank Clark
Michael Danna
Carlos Dunlap
Creed Humphrey
George Karlaftis III
Trent McDuffie
Jerick McKinnon
Isiah Pacheco
Justin Reid
JuJu Smith-Schuster
L'Jarius Sneed
Joe Thuney
Jaylen Watson
Joshua Williams

And I think the question is: if we lose one of these players in preseason to some devastating injury of August 2022, what causes this team to take the biggest dip?

Small dip:

I think the team had answers for Thuney and Humphrey thanks to Allegretti (and Reiter, why not). Watson and Williams both being good at CB reduces their individual importance. Smith-Schuster was valuable, but the team won plenty without him and rarely skipped a beat.

Bigger dip:

McDuffie was fantastic, but the team won without him anyway and Rashad Fenton was an acceptable solution, but now you start to see a dip. Losing Mike Danna would have been an issue given how amazing he was rushing from the interior. Pacheco was invaluable down the road but this team had resources at RB who could do 80% of what he was doing. Karlaftis was a big reason why we didn't have to blitz as much down the line, but he isn't a game changer yet (I think that's coming in 2023). Justin Reid was insanely important with all the youth on the back end, but Thornhill can play free safety if need be -- Reid may be a slightly better free safety but his leadership emphasized his importance.

Big time dips:

Orlando Brown was outstanding down the line, but the team can survive with Thuney at LT and Allegretti at LG. It won't be as pretty, but they would have been able to run at will. Losing Sneed is horrible and I hope we never do it, but McDuffie proved down the line that he is basically a shorter version of Sneed -- a future where both of these guys are torturing defenses under Spags creativity already has me salivating. McDuffie replaces about much of what Sneed offers, but it's a sizable drop because you probably can't trade Fenton away. And Frank Clark is a great postseason player, a decent regular season player, but invaluable in the locker room and in coaching up the young guys. Without him, the passrush takes a dip, and maybe Danna/Karlaftis don't develop as strongly as they have. Jerick McKinnon was invaluable, but his talents can be mostly replaced as Pacheco was starting to show down the line.

It's not clear to me what the answer would have been if we had lost:

Nick Bolton. He is irreplaceable with anybody they have on the roster, and if they had called that fumble properly in the Super Bowl, he would have been the MVP of the game.

So my answer:

1. Mahomes
2. Kelce
3. Jones
4. Bolton
5. Brown
6. Sneed
7. McKinnon
8. Clark
9. Pacheco
10. McDuffie
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