So... we're like... *certain* Dawand Jones can't play LT?

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Can you get him down to 335? Probably. Is that something that I want to be worried about every season? Nope.

You leave that to Reid, Heck, and Mahomes.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

You leave that to Reid, Heck, and Mahomes.

Heck is lol.

He's never developed anyone here. They either walked in the door a good player or they left as shitty as they were to begin with. I have absolutely zero faith in Heck ever developing anything, much less helping anyone with weight loss.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Heck is lol.

He's never developed anyone here. They either walked in the door a good player or they left as shitty as they were to begin with. I have absolutely zero faith in Heck ever developing anything, much less helping anyone with weight loss.

LDT?

What about the dudes who were kind of crap under Pioli like Jeff Allen?

Does Heck not get any credit for turning Wylie from an absolute nobody into a starting RT for a Super Bowl team?

Austin Reiter? We actually won a SB with that guy, you know. Hell, I'll even give him Cam Erving. That guy's career was DEAD in Cleveland, and when he left KC he managed to get paid by some other team.

There have been plenty of "who the **** is this guy" linemen to end up playing much better than what was expected out of them. I don't see how else you can credit anybody but Andy Heck for that.

Hell... Zach Fulton. Zach Fulton was a crashpost guard but arguably gave our offense entirely new life when he got moved to C. Isn't that Heck's thing? Playing guys at multiple positions?

We can do a lot worse than Andy Heck as our OL coach.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

LDT?

What about the dudes who were kind of crap under Pioli like Jeff Allen?

Does Heck not get any credit for turning Wylie from an absolute nobody into a starting RT for a Super Bowl team?

Austin Reiter? We actually won a SB with that guy, you know. Hell, I'll even give him Cam Erving. That guy's career was DEAD in Cleveland, and when he left KC he managed to get paid by some other team.

There have been plenty of "who the **** is this guy" linemen to end up playing much better than what was expected out of them. I don't see how else you can credit anybody but Andy Heck for that.

Hell... Zach Fulton. Zach Fulton was a crashpost guard but arguably gave our offense entirely new life when he got moved to C. Isn't that Heck's thing? Playing guys at multiple positions?

We can do a lot worse than Andy Heck as our OL coach.

I suppose he has a few that weren't hitting my mind but it sure seems like it takes guys a long time to develop under him if they aren't plug-and-play (Creed and Smith were absolutely plug-and-play, both were talked about as potential 1st rounders... Creed slipped on length a bit and positional value and Smith for his heart thing) Fisher and LDT took like 5 years to be solid players. Fulton was a bit quicker. Morse was P&P. Allen was a pretty solid guard before Heck was here, not sure I give him much credit for a guy that started as a rookie and was a high 2nd round pick. Not sure I feel much about Wylie. He's a ****ing turnstile. He played well in the Super Bowl but I feel like that turf helped a lot. Meh.

I dunno, I don't think guys have developed all that well under his tutelage. Like you said, we could do alot worse but I also think we could do better. It is what it is. It just worries me to see the lack of progress with OBj and Niang and so on and projecting it to a tackle project in the draft. And I'll never understand him not pushing Reid to start anyone but Wylie at RT by mid-season. It worked out in the end but it wasn't pretty along the way and it damned near cost us more than once with some hits Mahomes took.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Heck is lol.

He's never developed anyone here. They either walked in the door a good player or they left as shitty as they were to begin with. I have absolutely zero faith in Heck ever developing anything, much less helping anyone with weight loss.

This is just dead ass wrong. Borderline reeruned.

He turned the Browns trashcan in Reiter and Wiley into adequate starters.
Morse turned into a top 5 Center.
Branden Albert was able to have a big year in 2013 and cashed in.
He had Remmers playing passable at RT.
Hudson had a big rebound under him in 2013.
Fisher became a solid starter.
Smith and Creed are high end.
Got adequate play from a lumbering OBJ that struggled with footwork.
Allegretti became a strong reserve player.