Chiefs Chiefs Sign WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling - Page 54

Dante84 · 03-24-2022, 01:51 PM

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The #Chiefs are signing former #Packers WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to a three-year, $30 million deal with $18 million in the first two years and incentives to reach a maximum of $36 million, his agents @NSAFootball tell @RapSheet and me. ��
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Wallcrawler · 03-16-2023, 12:19 PM

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I hope so.

But MVS had plenty of of chances with Aaron and never seemed to have great chemistry with him either?

MVS ran what, two routes in green bay? Streak, and post?

In Andy's offense MVS opportunities will be much better. The missed explosive plays are misses by Patrick, either missing the throw, or not sticking with his read and missing him coming open for a huge play. It's not a case of like MVS running wrong routes or not being aware of the football like you see with Hardman.

These are things that Patrick self evaluates daily. He will improve and in turn, MVS will be scorching defenses.

scho63 · 03-16-2023, 02:02 PM

During the season I posted numerus times that I thought he was vastly underutilized.

I know he has the speed but he doesn't run good routes yet, including a sure fire HUGE gain in the Super Bowl where Mahomes threw a perfect pass to the numbers and MVS turned IN TO THE DEFENDER rather than out to the ball.

It's hard to fix instincts so I hope like hell he can improve.

I thought if JuJu was resigned he would be gone. I was wrong, it now looks to be the exact opposite.

Megatron96 · 03-16-2023, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63

During the season I posted numerus times that I thought he was vastly underutilized.

I know he has the speed but he doesn't run good routes yet, including a sure fire HUGE gain in the Super Bowl where Mahomes threw a perfect pass to the numbers and MVS turned IN TO THE DEFENDER rather than out to the ball.

It's hard to fix instincts so I hope like hell he can improve.

I thought if JuJu was resigned he would be gone. I was wrong, it now looks to be the exact opposite.

MVS is probably about topped out in terms of how many routes he can run, and how well he can run them. Oh, he'll end up with a few more yards per game on average, and probably, shit has to, score more TDs, but he's pretty much who he is now.

But he serves a role that JuJu couldn't, and his ability to stretch the field vertically is necessary to the offense; JuJu's role is completely replaceable.

It's okay. Veach will probably sign another middling WR from FA, and that guy will succeed JJSS pretty much seamlessly.

Problem is really replacing Hardman's 6 TDs and overall effectiveness in the RZ.

Chris Meck · 03-16-2023, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

MVS is probably about topped out in terms of how many routes he can run, and how well he can run them. Oh, he'll end up with a few more yards per game on average, and probably, shit has to, score more TDs, but he's pretty much who he is now.

But he serves a role that JuJu couldn't, and his ability to stretch the field vertically is necessary to the offense; JuJu's role is completely replaceable.

It's okay. Veach will probably sign another middling WR from FA, and that guy will succeed JJSS pretty much seamlessly.

Problem is really replacing Hardman's 6 TDs and overall effectiveness in the RZ.

It would make a LOT of sense for Hardman to come back on a one year deal, try to put a full season on tape and try to get a bag next year. Just saying.

Megatron96 · 03-16-2023, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It would make a LOT of sense for Hardman to come back on a one year deal, try to put a full season on tape and try to get a bag next year. Just saying.

Well, yeah sure. I'd be happy to see Hardman come back. But the consensus seems to be that he's gone. Though I haven't seen any actual reports of which teams are interested in his services yet.

Chris Meck · 03-16-2023, 05:50 PM

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Well, yeah sure. I'd be happy to see Hardman come back. But the consensus seems to be that he's gone. Though I haven't seen any actual reports of which teams are interested in his services yet.

Yeah, but consensus-schmensus. Nobody knows.

I'm just seeing that the market for non star WR's is pretty soft; he was injured half the year. He's not going to get a bunch of money. His best bet would be to return where he's already comfortable in the offense, with the best QB in football, try to put a good season on paper, maybe pick up another ring, and then try to leverage that into a bigger payday next year.

I mean, if he takes a one year cheap deal elswhere, there's a lot that can go wrong. This franchise is as solid a place to try to springboard from as there is.

I'd be real surprised if he didn't.

Megatron96 · 03-16-2023, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yeah, but consensus-schmensus. Nobody knows.

I'm just seeing that the market for non star WR's is pretty soft; he was injured half the year. He's not going to get a bunch of money. His best bet would be to return where he's already comfortable in the offense, with the best QB in football, try to put a good season on paper, maybe pick up another ring, and then try to leverage that into a bigger payday next year.

I mean, if he takes a one year cheap deal elswhere, there's a lot that can go wrong. This franchise is as solid a place to try to springboard from as there is.

I'd be real surprised if he didn't.

I mean, Hardman would be a difference-maker. Maybe not in total yards, heck he might never break 1,000 yds as a Chief, but he could easily score 8-10 TDs in a season for us. That's pretty significant, especially if we're going to score less for the next couple years.

Chris Meck · 03-16-2023, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

I mean, Hardman would be a difference-maker. Maybe not in total yards, heck he might never break 1,000 yds as a Chief, but he could easily score 8-10 TDs in a season for us. That's pretty significant, especially if we're going to score less for the next couple years.

I don't think that we're going to score significantly less, but he's a weapon, for sure.

Megatron96 · 03-16-2023, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't think that we're going to score significantly less, but he's a weapon, for sure.

If Toney goes down with a significant injury or just one that lingers for a few weeks, it could happen. Probably would happen.

Getting Hardman back would be like buying insurance against something like that.

He wouldn't give us everything Toney's skillset, but the speed/acceleration and the route tree would be there.

Without Hardman, we're looking at Skyy/Gray/some middling FA to make up the difference.

Chris Meck · 03-16-2023, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96

If Toney goes down with a significant injury or just one that lingers for a few weeks, it could happen. Probably would happen.

Getting Hardman back would be like buying insurance against something like that.

He wouldn't give us everything Toney's skillset, but the speed/acceleration and the route tree would be there.

Without Hardman, we're looking at Skyy/Gray/some middling FA to make up the difference.

Or MVS goes 6/116 and a TD. It's happened before.

Chief3188 · 03-16-2023, 07:00 PM

I would gladly take Hardman back on a one year deal. I really felt that for the first time last season he was starting to fall into a really good role in the offense before his injury. Heck I would even give him a 2 year 10 million deal with incentives to hit 14. His ability to be used as returner, sideline to sideline rusher and a WR for intermediate/deep routes makes him pretty valuable.

Megatron96 · 03-16-2023, 07:00 PM

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Or MVS goes 6/116 and a TD. It's happened before.

I mean, it's possible. But MVS doesn't have a history of doing that. He only has 8 100-yd games to his credit in 5 seasons, and most of them he caught just 4 passes or less to get to 100 yards. In fact, he only caught 4 balls for 100 yards twice, outside of the AFCCG. Basically, if he eclipses 100 yards, it's because he got one huge gain and then a couple smaller ones.

And he never broke 100 yards in a game more than twice in a season.

Not sure if that's a reasonable expectation for him to repeatedly rip off 100 yard games week in and week out for an extended period of time.

Wallcrawler · 03-16-2023, 07:15 PM

The Chiefs will score less. Yes. I think I heard that song before.

Hey. Quit huffing your ****ing ass. Jesus Christ.

Tyreek Hill leaves, and the Chiefs have the number one offense, and runaway league mvp in Mahomes.

Oh, and in case you missed it, that's without Hardman for half the season, and a limited Kadarius Toney brought in mid season, a greenhorn in Skyy Moore, everyone's favorite snap percentage leader in Justin Watson, and an underutilized MVS.

Now Juju leaves and people are like omg please bring back Hardman?

OH WE MOS DEF SCORING LESS BOIS.

What?

Seriously.

Stop huffing your ass.

Dunerdr · 03-16-2023, 07:27 PM

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BWillie is such a butt****ing moron

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Dunerdr · 03-16-2023, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

No, because I don't think Patrick looks to him the same way he looked to MVS. Hardmans awareness is ASS. A giant frothy jar of ASS.

Like throwing the ball to Hardman, 5 things can happen and 4 of them are bad.

He didn’t really look to MVS that way until he had no choice. I’d wager hardman could have had similar results if healthy.

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Chief3188 Starter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Orleans Casino cash: $405077	I would gladly take Hardman back on a one year deal. I really felt that for the first time last season he was starting to fall into a really good role in the offense before his injury. Heck I would even give him a 2 year 10 million deal with incentives to hit 14. His ability to be used as returner, sideline to sideline rusher and a WR for intermediate/deep routes makes him pretty valuable.
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