NFL Trade Rumors: Rams WR Allen Robinson to Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs?

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

To be fair, their best WR (Kupp) only had ~800 yards receiving and 6 TDs - not exactly a good showing for their offense.

Total offensive output passing ~3500 yards 16 TDs

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

[BryanBusby]

If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

If you paid attention to Allen Robinson running routes in LA, you could tell he's pretty much cooked.

Wouldn't take him even at a reduced salary. There's a reason to Rams are dire to let him go even after eating a recent bonus.

And I didn't watch any LA Rams games (other than ours) and he didn't play that game.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

And I didn't watch any LA Rams games (other than ours) and he didn't play that game.

He ran his routes like he had concrete in his shoes. He looks cooked.

[DenverChief]

Just for S&G in the 10 games played by Robinson

Sacked:

vs BUF (10-31) - 7 -- (1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds)
vs ATL (31-27) - 1 -- (4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD)
vs ARI (20-12) - 2 -- (2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD)
vs SF (9-24) - 7 --(2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds)
vs DAL (10-22) - 5 -- (3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds)
vs CAR (24-10) - 1 -- (5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD)
vs SF (14-31) - 2 -- (5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD)
vs TB (13-16) - 1 --(3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD)
vs ARI (17-27) - 3 --(4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD)
vs NO (20-27) - 4 --(4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD)

33 sacks in 10 games if you compare side by side his performance vs times sacked you can see the difference.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

Ahh - I missed that he only played in 9 games - Robinson only played in 10 too though.

Also - you have to factor in the poor OL play and the fact that Bryce Perkins, John Wolford and Baker Mayfield were slinging the ball around at some point during the season.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by wazu

And Robinson didn't start being bad in 2022. In 2021 he was every bit as terrible, probably even worse. Only hope any observer had was that the QB situation was awful, and they were stuck with Matt Nagy as their coach, so Robinson lost all motivation to play. That was about as much optimism as could be sprinkled on Robinson's 2021 campaign. Then he went the Rams and eliminated other people as the cause of the problem.

Just to put things in perspective - the Rams (5-12) gave up 59 sacks last year to their QB's. The Broncos (5-12) Gave up 63 and the Colts (4-12) 60.

So some of that play can possibly be attributed to the poor play of the offense in genreal?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Robinson averaged 34yds per game receiving (annualized 578yds).

Kupp averaged 90yds per game receiving (annualized 1,530yds).

Kupp’s showing was fine - it was the injuries which dampened his stats. Robinson was just bad.

5 of the 10 games were well over the 34 YPG average:

W vs ATL (31-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD
W vs CAR (24-10) 5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD
L vs SF (14-31) 5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD
L vs ARI (17-27) 4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD
L vs NO (20-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD

The other games were blowouts or Defensive battles

L vs BUF (10-31) 1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs SF (9-24) 2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds
L vs DAL (10-22) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs TB (13-16) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD

The one outlier:

W vs ARI (20-12) 2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

5 of the 10 games were well over the 34 YPG average:

W vs ATL (31-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 53 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD
W vs CAR (24-10) 5 Rec/6 Tgts, 63 Yds, 5 1stD, 1 TD
L vs SF (14-31) 5 Rec/7 Tgts, 54 Yds, 3 1stD
L vs ARI (17-27) 4 Rec/6 Tgts, 44 Tds 3 1stD
L vs NO (20-27) 4 Rec/5 Tgts, 47 Yds, 4 1stD, 1 TD

The other games were blowouts or Defensive battles

L vs BUF (10-31) 1 Rec/2 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs SF (9-24) 2 Rec/6 Tgts, 7 Yds
L vs DAL (10-22) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 12 yds
L vs TB (13-16) 3 Rec/5 Tgts, 24 yds, 3 1stD

The one outlier:

W vs ARI (20-12) 2 Rec/5 Tgts, 23 yds, 1stD

PFF had his receiving performance last year tied with - drum roll - Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle. 101st best in the league!

So his stats suck and even PFF sees how mediocre he is.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

PFF had his receiving performance last year tied with - drum roll - Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle. 101st best in the league!

So his stats suck and even PFF sees how mediocre he is.

Is this the same PFF that had Patrick Mahomes as the worst week 1 starter?

I just find it funny we (CP) only point to PFF when it's convenient and trash it when it's not (Taylor).

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Is this the same PFF that had Patrick Mahomes as the worst week 1 starter?

I just find it funny we (CP) only point to PFF when it's convenient and trash it when it's not (Taylor).

LOL. So the stats say he sucks, the eye test if you watched Rams games say he sucks, Rams fans say he sucks, but because PFF says he sucks, maybe he’s actually good because of how they graded Mahomes one week.

Sound argument.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

LOL. So the stats say he sucks, the eye test if you watched Rams games say he sucks, Rams fans say he sucks, but because PFF says he sucks, maybe he’s actually good because of how they graded Mahomes one week.

Sound argument.

Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

Hence why I don't even bring up PFF anymore - people believe their metrics when the narrative fits their agenda.

Cold hard stats - that's it.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Wait what? I'm saying PFF grades said Taylor sucks - CP says "but he is athletic". PFF says Pat sucks everybody loses their mind. But PFF says Robinson sucks and we (CP) eat it up like candy.

What Rams fans you been talking to? They hanging out with your Girlfriend in Belize?

That’s not entirely accurate. PFF says Taylor is a bad run blocker but good pass blocker. And also that he’s ascending. CP says it doesn’t care about how bad of a run blocker he is because the guy is being signed for one reason and one reason only: to protect Mahomes.

I wouldn’t lean on any PFF ranking in isolation, but it’s backed up by the eye test, the stats, and the narrative around the guy. So then when you look at PFF and it grades him the same as two JAGs we know very, very well, it provides some context for the level of mediocrity we’re likely dealing with.

And could you imagine paying much of anything for either of those two guys?