NFL Draft LNBS: Chiefs draft theory - Page 2

staylor26 · 09:41 PM

Every year the Chiefs are connected, by what feels like everybody in the media, to the best deep threat in the draft. Whether it's Henry Ruggs, Jameson Williams, etc.

Haven't heard a whole lot about the Chiefs and Hyatt, and that makes me go hmmm.

Don't get me wrong, he was mentioned by both Breer and King today (interesting enough), but it was more of a throwaway backup plans scenario as opposed to the headline of names.

Instead it's been guys like Zay Flowers and Jamhyr Gibbs. The thing is, I don't see the Chiefs trading up as high as it will take to get Flowers, and I definitely don't see them actually taking a RB in the 1st more or less trading up for one.

Going into the draft process, many thought Hyatt wouldn't be in our range either, but after probably the most disappointing 4.4 I've ever seen, it feels like everybody has jsut written him off entirely in the 1st round.

What if the Chiefs know they can get Hyatt at 31, and they're just trying to keep everybody off the idea that he is in fact a perfect fit for what they look for (like Williams and Ruggs).

It's entirely possible that his 40 is a blessing in disguise, because I think he's going to light it up if the Chiefs actually take him.

Gravedigger · 04-25-2023, 07:07 AM

I've been in the boat for a bigger bodied WR for a long time. Kinda tired of the small guys, Mahomes needs a young, point of catch, Moss the DB, kinda guy so give me Mingo over Hyatt. When we passed on George Pickens last year to trade down, then took Skyy Moore I was pretty disappointed. I saw why they did it, Pickens has some cockiness that might not play well with others, a Steelers or Raiders pick he was destined to be, but I still want that type of receiver for Mahomes and imo there's no better time to take that guy. Either this year or next, lock up a young stud big bodied receiver for Mahomes to continue his prime with. Trade draft capital to do it too, I don't care, this front office can afford to be a little risky after the last five years of success they've accomplished.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-25-2023, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men

I think we get Hopkins myself. Bringing in all these WRs is prolly a scare tactic so that Arizona lowers their asking price.

Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

MahomesMagic · 04-25-2023, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

I don't know if I've ever seen Veach telegraph "the guy" at WR, or really his 1st/2nd round targets all that much. Hyatt and Scott are the two guys to watch IMO, depending on if it's 1st or 2nd round. No talk about either to KC and both are perfect fits.

I really don't think KC is taking an ER in the first two rounds either. They don't have a need for a starter over the next 2 years. I mean, if a value falls just right yeah, but I just don't see them pushing it.

I'm with you on Tyler Scott.

He looks like a great fit here.

**Meatloaf** · 04-25-2023, 07:12 AM

Wanna replace Mecole? If so, I think Jamyr Gibbs provides many of those same skills....plus the additional skills of a RB. That said, I doubt the goal of our First is to simply replace Mecole. Nonetheless, I think Gibbs would be awesome in our offense.

Gibbs could also replace McKinnon, except for his blocking skills. But didn't McK have 9 receiving TDs?

Lastly, does anyone see a bit of Jamal Charles in Gibbs? Looks like a clone to me. Would love to see Gibbs in red!!!

**RealSNR** · 04-25-2023, 08:50 AM

kccrow is going to be completely and utterly insufferable if we take Gibbs.

He's going on a revenge tour, and not even the innocent will be spared. I never made fun of the pick, but I could easily see him telling me to drink anti-freeze.

Hold onto your butts

Dunerdr · 04-25-2023, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

kccrow is going to be completely and utterly insufferable if we take Gibbs.

He's going on a revenge tour, and not even the innocent will be spared. I never made fun of the pick, but I could easily see him telling me to drink anti-freeze.

Hold onto your butts

KCCROW presents, The anti freeze tour. Sponsored by Miller Lite and AIDS.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 04-25-2023, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

and we are no longer the team that chases and overpays the aging vet on the downhill side of their career. We now leave that to the other 3 teams in our division...

ForeverIowan · 04-25-2023, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Where you plan on getting 18 mil to pay him ???????????????????

Geez man it is the salary cap. Funny money. Veach can maneuver that with one swipe of his magical wand. Im not necessarily advocating for any of the below solutions specifically but it is easily possible

1.) Cardinals transfer the majoriry of his salary to bonus and pay it if the draft capital is sufficient enough.
2.) Chris Jones extension
3.) Move some Thuney money around
4.) Move more Mahomes money around
5.) Move Kelce money around.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2023, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Geez man it is the salary cap. Funny money. Veach can maneuver that with one swipe of his magical wand. Im not necessarily advocating for any of the below solutions specifically but it is easily possible

1.) Cardinals transfer the majoriry of his salary to bonus and pay it if the draft capital is sufficient enough.
2.) Chris Jones extension
3.) Move some Thuney money around
4.) Move more Mahomes money around
5.) Move Kelce money around.

There are deadlines on those last three. They touched Mahomes money already and can't do it again.

ForeverIowan · 04-25-2023, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

There are deadlines on those last three. They touched Mahomes money already and can't do it again.

Pretty sure they can restructure Mahomes contract whenever they dang well please but dont claim to be a cap expert so will defer on that.

**The Franchise** · 04-25-2023, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Pretty sure they can restructure Mahomes contract whenever they dang well please but dont claim to be a cap expert so will defer on that.

They can't. There is a deadline on it every year. They already restructured it for this season and can't do it again.

Red Dawg · 04-25-2023, 10:02 AM

We have many wrs they want to look at on the roster now. Taking one early may not happen. They want Toney to be the guy. Rookie wrs never do shit with Andy.

Iconic · 04-25-2023, 10:15 AM

I mean he's being written off for good reason though, Hyatt is a giant unknown. His release packages and route tree were never fleshed out because of the Tennessee offense. If you pick him you're really just gambling that it was a case of “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do”. He's not appreciably powerful or tall that would make him an athletic freak like DK or Julio, and from what I watched he wasn't particularly great at contested catch situations.

If Veach pulls the trigger I won't bitch because it means Reid believes he can coach these things up in the kid. But as it stands, being fast can't be the only thing you bring to the table in the NFL. He's raw and I wouldn't personally touch him in the first unless the board is absolute shite.

kccrow · 04-25-2023, 12:49 PM

The real question (not calling you out specifically Iconic) is what part of the "route tree" do you guys not see Hyatt running with regularity that you think he should be running given his primary position and role?

I ask this because I've seen this take regurgitated quite frequently and I significantly question its merit but will gladly listen to anyone's take that can point to specific routes they think are requisite to him being, most ideally, a Z receiver here and he doesn't currently run.

Iconic · 04-25-2023, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

The real question (not calling you out specifically Iconic) is what part of the "route tree" do you guys not see Hyatt running with regularity that you think he should be running given his primary position and role?

I ask this because I've seen this take regurgitated quite frequently and I significantly question its merit but will gladly listen to anyone's take that can point to specific routes they think are requisite to him being, most ideally, a Z receiver here and he doesn't currently run.

Had to go dumpster diving to find this tweet from ages ago but see for yourself.

Receiving yards % by route for Jalin Hyatt, JSN, Jordan Addison and Quentin Johnson (2021-22, via PFF) pic.twitter.com/ZmwXMnSCHe
— Austin Gayle (@austingayle_) February 15, 2023

As I said before, we do not know if it was a “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do” situation. I get Heupel’s offense ran a bunch of deep choice stuff and Hyatt was forced into running a lot of flys. But with all these unknowns it just remains to be seen why you'd take him when there may be better options without as many question marks. I'm not even opposed to taking him, I just see better value elsewhere personally.

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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-2160960	LNBS: Chiefs draft theory Every year the Chiefs are connected, by what feels like everybody in the media, to the best deep threat in the draft. Whether it's Henry Ruggs, Jameson Williams, etc. Haven't heard a whole lot about the Chiefs and Hyatt, and that makes me go hmmm. Don't get me wrong, he was mentioned by both Breer and King today (interesting enough), but it was more of a throwaway backup plans scenario as opposed to the headline of names. Instead it's been guys like Zay Flowers and Jamhyr Gibbs. The thing is, I don't see the Chiefs trading up as high as it will take to get Flowers, and I definitely don't see them actually taking a RB in the 1st more or less trading up for one. Going into the draft process, many thought Hyatt wouldn't be in our range either, but after probably the most disappointing 4.4 I've ever seen, it feels like everybody has jsut written him off entirely in the 1st round. What if the Chiefs know they can get Hyatt at 31, and they're just trying to keep everybody off the idea that he is in fact a perfect fit for what they look for (like Williams and Ruggs). It's entirely possible that his 40 is a blessing in disguise, because I think he's going to light it up if the Chiefs actually take him. Last edited by staylor26; 04-24-2023 at 09:41 PM..
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04-25-2023, 07:12 AM	#19
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $2000359	Wanna replace Mecole? If so, I think Jamyr Gibbs provides many of those same skills....plus the additional skills of a RB. That said, I doubt the goal of our First is to simply replace Mecole. Nonetheless, I think Gibbs would be awesome in our offense. Gibbs could also replace McKinnon, except for his blocking skills. But didn't McK have 9 receiving TDs? Lastly, does anyone see a bit of Jamal Charles in Gibbs? Looks like a clone to me. Would love to see Gibbs in red!!! Last edited by Meatloaf; 04-25-2023 at 07:32 AM..
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04-25-2023, 10:15 AM	#28
Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $1560360	I mean he's being written off for good reason though, Hyatt is a giant unknown. His release packages and route tree were never fleshed out because of the Tennessee offense. If you pick him you're really just gambling that it was a case of “wasn’t asked to do” rather than “can’t do”. He's not appreciably powerful or tall that would make him an athletic freak like DK or Julio, and from what I watched he wasn't particularly great at contested catch situations. If Veach pulls the trigger I won't bitch because it means Reid believes he can coach these things up in the kid. But as it stands, being fast can't be the only thing you bring to the table in the NFL. He's raw and I wouldn't personally touch him in the first unless the board is absolute shite. __________________ 12·12·11 回 RIP Turd Haley
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04-25-2023, 12:49 PM	#29
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1320000	The real question (not calling you out specifically Iconic) is what part of the "route tree" do you guys not see Hyatt running with regularity that you think he should be running given his primary position and role? I ask this because I've seen this take regurgitated quite frequently and I significantly question its merit but will gladly listen to anyone's take that can point to specific routes they think are requisite to him being, most ideally, a Z receiver here and he doesn't currently run.
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