Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

"We have to draft and develop, now that we're paying Mahomes to stay good long term we've gotta do it this way"..

Team drafts and tries to develop WR's thru the draft


"These guys are jags what are we doing".

The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. I think it’s fair to say we have not really have any proven hits on draft picks since tyreek/fisher/Schwartz. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by unBelizable

Belicheat tended to trade down in the draft.

Also used those picks in bizarre ways on non-premium positions.

Dude is a fraud without Brady.

Both are. Neither would be considered GOATs without each other.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The approach is fine. But we need to hit on these picks. Skyy needs to progress to being more than just a role WR. Same with OT. We’re walking into both positions needing bandaids at both spots and that is not ideal. And I don’t like using mahomes greatness to take away urgency or to accept anything less simply because he can make lemons out of lemonade. We don’t have to spend high picks or spend mega bucks, but we need quality players. Period.

I know I’m in the minority but I would much rather feel really good about these positions before we focus on making our defense from great to elite.

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

[O.city]

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

[nicksdad]

once again, there are more ways to get decent offensive weapons than JUST THE DRAFT! he also has trade options and free agency . the BVBWA members focus on lack of draft investment ( which also is TOTAlLY within Veach's control ) but the fact is that he has brought in no top flight offensive weapons through ANY of the three possible courses. this is a fact. cant wait to be called stupid by the ball washers. just an fyi , I have been a chefs fan for 55 years and sweated out the first super bowl win .love the chiefs and hope that all their picks/ trades/ signings are brilliant. I just don't measure every acquisition for their gold jacket in Canton just because they wear red uniforms. this makes me stupid , I guess?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

They had 2 good tackles who they lost in an offseason and drafted a 3rd rounder and traded a first for another LT. Got a couple cheap years out of those guys, plus RT play out of Wylie.

The 2020 draft with CEH is what hurts the skill positions a bit with that whiff.

They've also figured out that putting protection around Mahomes is probably more important than high end WRs it seems and figure Mahomes can develop the talent they've picked up in the early rounds at WR.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Untrue. Since the mahomes pick 60% of the picks have gone to defense. Over the past 2 years it’s been about 65% which includes 3 first round picks and one that required a trade up.

Once you balance out the FA money spend on offense, yeah, it's pretty even. And last 3 years you have CEH in the first, OBJ traded a first for, Creed in the 2nd, Skyy in the 2nd, Toney was a first rounder, and Rice this year.

So you guys who want 'Blue chip prospects" need to just come out and say you don't like the picks, because they've spent high end capital on the offense.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I don't know what this word is staylor but I'm 100% here for it...

JK

Lol what a weird autocorrect.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes makes the money he makes. That's the trade off you have. I don't really know how this is gonna have to be discussed?

"don't spend high picks or pay money"

Ok well that leaves drafting and developing people. That's not gonna happen overnight and you're gonna go in with guys who may not be "quality" players before they have a chance to actually play.

I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It does not mean we need to use all of our blue chip picks on defense.

Either hit on your picks. Or if you can’t, get more aggressive in the draft.

If mahomes can elevate below average players to good, he can elevate great players to elite. That needs to be way more of the mentality.

You’re right it doesn’t happen overnight. We had years to groom a single WR2 behind tyreek (who could also become WR1) and didn’t. In fact, NONE of these guys are hitting elsewhere. We could easily have built OL depth but we drafted so poorly that we walked into the 2021 season with 4 brand new starters from outside the organization. And now we walk into the offseason where we need to sprint to replace TWO tackles. Where we have more questions than answers at WR.

Look I love what we’ve done but we just have not been good at all at finding the most important offense skill positions outside of mahomes. We’ve got to do better.

You keep pushing this dumb ****ing narrative.

They've now invested 2 2nds and a 3rd over the last year. Maybe have some ****ing patience for those guys to develop?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

They've spent and drafted just as much on the offense as they have the defense. It's been spread pretty much equally.

This has been explained to zilla over and over and he keeps pretending that isn't the case.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I like the contingencies they’ve put in place at WR. Justin Watson was a nice, reliable player and Richie James flashed a lot with lesser QB play last year.

Feels like if there’s an issue with development with Skyy or Rice, those 2 could pick up a bit of the slack.

Richie James will end up putting up 800 yards and 6 TD's and the Chiefs will have an elite offense again and we'll have the same "Andy and Pat did it again, wow".

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You keep pushing this dumb ****ing narrative.

They've now invested 2 2nds and a 3rd over the last year. Maybe have some ****ing patience for those guys to develop?

It is fair to be critical when we have not done well developing our own guys since umpteen years ago when we drafted tyreek. I’m being plenty patient and have not called these guys busts. I’m simply saying we need to hit on these picks. And we can’t just shrug off bad moves because our coaches can elevate the talent.

Look at tackle. Two stories. On the one hand we put a ton into LT and busted. On the other hand we’ve barely even tried at RT even if that meant poorly protecting mahomes.

The front office is capable of doing better and of course it is a nitpick considering all the great they’ve done. But let’s not massage this by saying we’ve been very good at finding offensive talent since we drafted mahomes. We just haven’t been. Either we’ve tried and haven’t been successful. Or we should be trying harder.