Veach and Reid have a template to compete each year

[BigRedChief]

They are using a Bellicheck/Brady modified version they used to sustain success.

Basics:

• Elite QB
• Great O-line
• JAG and or FA value WR's and RB's
• Solid Defense
• Good kicking game

Discipline

• Move up in the draft to get "your" guy despite what the points say
• Leverage the success to encourage and work with older and cheaper FA vets seeking a ring offering one year contracts.
• Don't give 3rd contracts to your guys over 30. No matter how good they are currently.

Seems obvious to me. What say you?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Lack of investment is included in failure to develop. You can’t just wait until the dam is broken. And when the dam is broken you have to act with some urgency. If your path is to use the draft you have to throw a lot of picks at it. And you can’t wait until the very last minute to do it which is exactly what we did. And if you rely on the draft you HAVE to hit on those picks. We needed a WR2 for years. Especially when we realized Sammy couldn’t stay on the field. We placed a ceiling on tyreek hill pay yet did nothing to groom his replacement. And even in the years after we’re duct taping things together. we’re walking into camp with a HUGE question mark at one of our OT spots. And while we have WR options, we have ?s there too.

The fact is this… when we had money we went full blast at upgrading our defense. Understandably so. Now that we have less money we’re using the best and most of our best draft picks on defense. Which is fine. But that’s unsettling when we have so many question marks on offense. I don’t know how anyone can dispute at this point that defense is getting way more attention than the offense is. We have quality starters and depth at EVERY defensive position.

Sorry I love what we’ve done with this team. But we don’t need to sugarcoat it. I get if you want to be optimistic that we’re finally addressing it. But how can anyone claim that in terms of new talent added weve graded anything but a C or lower on the two most important non qb skill positions (WR, OT)

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

[chiefzilla1501]

On top of addressing WR and OT we haven’t done anything to build a pipeline of young OL. So we’re trending towards spending $50m+ on interior OL which doesn’t feel like it should be a priority for a team that is being cap careful. Our defense is in a great spot but at some point you can only go far throwing bandaids on the offense. We are a little more rickety than we care to admit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Considering they've played in the most important game in all of sports 3 times in the last 4 years, I'd say whatever they're doing is working. Maybe they're not doing it the way we would but I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

I’m not claiming the sky is falling or saying we need radical change. Of course I love the majority of what we’re doing and respect the hell out of Veach. But it’s ok to say we aren’t perfect.

I think we’re leaning too far in the direction of creating a complete defense while asking Reid and mahomes to work with lesser ingredients. Yes we are winning despite those warts. And no greater example than putting mahomes behind an OL that was once horrible, and more recently has been very problematic on the edges. We can acknowledge our offense has still been very good while also recognizing that this is really not ideal.

[Megatron96]

Can't believe CP is actually on board with building up the Chiefs in the Patriot's Way.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

On top of addressing WR and OT we haven’t done anything to build a pipeline of young OL. So we’re trending towards spending $50m+ on interior OL which doesn’t feel like it should be a priority for a team that is being cap careful. Our defense is in a great spot but at some point you can only go far throwing bandaids on the offense. We are a little more rickety than we care to admit.

They won't throw $50 million a year at the interior. We still have two more cheap years of Creed and Smith and by the time they need deals, Thuney will be gone.

You realize we've won two Super Bowls and appeared in 3 the past 4 years, right? What you consider "rickety" most fans only dream of seeing. Football isn't won and lost on paper. Coaching, chemistry and culture make more of a difference in this sport than any other, not to mention having first ballot HOF'ers at HC, QB, TE and DT. You can win a lot of games building just a decent roster around a core like that, especially with how watered down this league is.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

keep in mind that during this time we were content to roll out Wylie and Reiter and everyone from remmers to wisnewski to address our interior. Instead of building a young pipeline of interior linemen we hit a red hot emergency where we had to replace all 5 OL in one offseason.

We knew we needed two starters at vital Tackle positions and have had a few years to address. We went two seasons with subpar play and once again have to scramble for immediate replacements because we couldn’t develop a single option in house.

At WR… we have not developed a single WR that has been anything but a situational guy. Maybe that changes with skyy and rashee. But historically we have not done well so the criticism is warranted. I get the optimism but in the past 2 years we’ve had bad play at Tackle and WR and we still have big time question marks at both positions going into the season. It’s not ideal and it’s the type of thing you need to address before the dam bursts not after.

You make it sound very dramatic when you say "red hot emergency" and "scramble for immediate replacement". Every team does that every season. The Chiefs are just currently better at it than most. That's actually kind of the point of signing a free agent.

[O.city]

Because it's unrealistic.

They've spent draft picks and money on the OL. They have had highly paid T's, highly drafted T's, highly paid Wr's, highly paid TE's.

They didn't spend high picks on WR's because they had one of the best in the league (they spent a 2nd on a WR actually while they had one).

Mahomes is making 20 percent of the cap. This is just the way it is gonna be. There's only so much to go around and they've gotta figure where they can get the most WAR out of the money left.

Sorry....but it seems to be working pretty well. Sure, it's not perfect. It's never going to be.

They haven't built a young pipeline of OL? That's just....wrong.

I'm not even sure what we're getting at here?

[O.city]

Reiter had to play when Morse got knocked out. Remmers when Fisher and Schwartz got knocked out.

This is just dumb.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Can't believe CP is actually on board with building up the Chiefs in the Patriot's Way.

Give me a few more SBs and I'll look the other way if our backup TE is a murderer.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

Because it's unrealistic.

They've spent draft picks and money on the OL. They have had highly paid T's, highly drafted T's, highly paid Wr's, highly paid TE's.

They didn't spend high picks on WR's because they had one of the best in the league (they spent a 2nd on a WR actually while they had one).

Mahomes is making 20 percent of the cap. This is just the way it is gonna be. There's only so much to go around and they've gotta figure where they can get the most WAR out of the money left.

Sorry....but it seems to be working pretty well. Sure, it's not perfect. It's never going to be.

They haven't built a young pipeline of OL? That's just....wrong.

I'm not even sure what we're getting at here?

Last time he did this shit, he literally tried to say that the Chiefs haven't invested at LB.

You heard that right. The position that they used a day 2 pick on 3 years in a row and just signed Tranquil.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

On top of addressing WR and OT we haven’t done anything to build a pipeline of young OL. So we’re trending towards spending $50m+ on interior OL which doesn’t feel like it should be a priority for a team that is being cap careful. Our defense is in a great spot but at some point you can only go far throwing bandaids on the offense. We are a little more rickety than we care to admit.

Think they have done everything they can to "build the pipeline". You draft and develop in house Creed and Trey Draft and attempt to develop Niang, Kinnard and now Wanya.

You can only really protect the guys on the active roster. You have really 9 spots after that you risk losing them. When your competing for Super Bowls pretty much every spot on the active roster needs to be ready for primetime at a moments notice. It is not like you can stash 3 OL that are just developmental. Your lucky to be able DL 1 and maybe keep 1 on the active roster.

[FloridaMan88]

The JAG WR theory will get tested if/when Kelce begins to see a decline in his production due to age.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I’m not claiming the sky is falling or saying we need radical change. Of course I love the majority of what we’re doing and respect the hell out of Veach. But it’s ok to say we aren’t perfect.

I think we’re leaning too far in the direction of creating a complete defense while asking Reid and mahomes to work with lesser ingredients. Yes we are winning despite those warts. And no greater example than putting mahomes behind an OL that was once horrible, and more recently has been very problematic on the edges. We can acknowledge our offense has still been very good while also recognizing that this is really not ideal.

I think last year I was in lock-step with you on the preference to focus on the offense and in particular WRs. I thought our WR room looked pretty dog-sh**, and yet, they got it done. So it's hard for me to go down the same route, especially as they HAVE drafted 2 2nd round WRs and we need to see what we have.

BUT...I am an offense first guy. Even if Rice is excellent, Toney is elite and healthy and Moore steps up, I'm probably still looking for more weapons at SOME point in the draft. If we have anything less than that I'm probably going early again. We know Mahomes can win it all with one elite receiver and a lot of OK, but I really want to make sure we keep that one elite option available.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

You make it sound very dramatic when you say "red hot emergency" and "scramble for immediate replacement". Every team does that every season. The Chiefs are just currently better at it than most. That's actually kind of the point of signing a free agent.

I don’t think it’s dramatic. The OL after the Tampa Super Bowl was an emergency need and we changed all 5 positions in one offseason. We HAD to replace two starters this offseason because we didn’t have options in house.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Think they have done everything they can to "build the pipeline". You draft and develop in house Creed and Trey Draft and attempt to develop Niang, Kinnard and now Wanya.

You can only really protect the guys on the active roster. You have really 9 spots after that you risk losing them. When your competing for Super Bowls pretty much every spot on the active roster needs to be ready for primetime at a moments notice. It is not like you can stash 3 OL that are just developmental. Your lucky to be able DL 1 and maybe keep 1 on the active roster.

On receiver we did not which is why we let tyreek loose with zero viable in house options. At OT we swung and we missed. We did the same thing at interior OL and we were fine with flinging mahomes behind a leaky dam until it ultimately burst. After it was on fire, yeah we did a good job addressing it.